Are younger teens and pre-teens rejecting gender woo?

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Saw someone on Twitter say this. My own early teen, who loves to disagree with me for the hell of it has started critiquing gender woo by herself. "I used to say stuff to wind you up, Mum. But it's just so ridiculous, isn't it". A classmate changes pronouns a few times a week and shouts at you if you misgender them apparently. Teen getting fed up of it.

He also jokes that he identifies as a LGBTQ+HDBoschTV

My girls are both GC, from listening to me and also because they can see the logic in not being able to change sex. We have a few trans people working in shops we use and they see me being polite and friendly to them. You can be kind and still feel strongly that women’s and girl’s right need protecting.

My youngest daughter talked about someone in her class as being dramatic, using them being vegan and non binary as the evidence.

My 13 year old thinks it's all ridiculous

I overheard DS joking with a friend that he “didn’t want to annoy the LGBTBBQ kids”

(I hasten to add that he is all for the LGB and most of the T too!)

So jealous of you all, my two (19 and 21) are fully captured in that way only privileged middle class kid can be - they have a very rose tinted view of the world on the whole. Unfortunately I didn’t know about this issue until too late and I’m just hoping that the odd seed will make it through eventually. Funnily enough the boys that they know are much more GC and even a bit transphobic at times - double standards.
My wonderful nephew (15) however off his own bat started telling me about how it was all ridiculous and was scathing about the blue hair uniform too. It was a breath of fresh air.

My gay ds, 16 is firmly GC. Has a trans friend whom he supports and genders as requested but is firmly twaNw and should not be in female spaces and vice versa

Have started to talk to my 11 year old about it, trying not to be too forceful as he needs to form his own opinion and he's still young, but I have been highlighting injustices such as Laurel Hubbard which he was astonished by. Really hope it'll help him look at it all rationally when it gets rammed down his throat at school.

@salooone kettle 😂😂

NaturalBlondeYeahRight

You should send your teens to live with me for a year on my council estate I will send them back fully un woke

There are absolutely loads of accounts on Instagram that speak the truth against all this woman bashing nonsense…
Look for @rad_to.the.bone and loads of her followers and who she is following. It’s heartening to see so many woman not backing down. Because of my job it’s the only place I can follow this openly because my workplace is up Stonewalls ass.

Interesting.

I wonder if what with all the cancel culture, JKR hate and things like pronouns reaching the mainstream corporate culture, being GC has now become the new oppressed minority?? Which obviously means it will become fashionable among teens

Dd1 is happy to go along with things as far as names/pronouns for friends. But doesn't actually believe you can change sex. Was absolutely horrified about rapists in womens prisons and males in womens sports.

Sadly she was also under the illusion school would keep her and her friends safe so she was a bit shocked that she could potentially not have that safety net.

Have made sure she knows she's allowed to say no to whoever she wants and if they call her a bigot she doesn't give a crap.

I have also told her not to give in to emotional blackmail. I know thankfully that she does recognise when people are being controlling/possessive. And I have made sure she knows that people are responsible for their own actions and their own mental well being and she has no intention of taking any notice if anyone tells her she needs to say/do X or they will hurt themselves.

She thinks labels are stupid and restrictive and she has no time for them.

One good thing about the dickheads who call her an fucking emo bitch out theor car windows is that she now knows she doesn't owe anyone anything.

In short. She doesn't believe it. Will play along to a point with friends but ultimately has no interest in being responsible for anyone but her self and isn't afraid to tell people to fuck off either.

Mine think it’s bollocks. 15yo in particular seems to think it’s hideously outdated and for old people, by which she means those around 22.

This is heartening - I really am hoping that by the time my DD gets to be a teen this will be starting to be unfashionable.

Interestingly I find that even though some youth social media (eg tumblr) is very woke, there’s a fair amount of pushback.

Tumblr in particular has a thriving young radfem/GC feminist scene, possibly because it’s a site, like this one, where people use pseudonymous usernames and change them regularly, so they feel freer to go against the mainstream ideology. Tends to be that where you get the woke idiocy, there’ll still be a fair number of feisty, angry, clever teens and early-20s young women pushing back against it openly in very articulate comments, etc., and circulating their own extremely well informed articles and links on GC feminism.

They would get on really well with the users on this board! I sometimes want to recommend that they hop over here 😂

My teenage cousins are fully into the genderwoo unfortunately.

Also, I agree with previous posters that it is often the extremely vulnerable kids who get really sucked into this ideology to the point of causing real harm. The trans boys / men I have met have all had really grim backgrounds. Not just working class / poverty -- really awful histories of sexual abuse for example. These are the young people who are at risk of grooming by sexual predators and experiencing further abuse and self-harm. They are the ones who are being harmed by the cheerleading of this ideology and who will be left on their own to pick up the fragments of their lives when the cheerleading moves on to the next cause celebre.

DD (16) and DS (14) aren't buying into the woo at all, thankfully. They'd politely use a different pronoun if someone asked, but they'd be eye rolling behind their backs. `Trying to get DS up and out early on a Monday is often met with 'Mum I can't get move fast, I'm identifying as a sloth today'.

Interestingly their cousin (who is at a very well known Arts school) is VERY much going along with gender woo and ever-changing-pronouns but even he couldn't get on board with Laurel Hubbard.

Dd1’s non binary friend has told dd she can’t like Harry Potter because jk is anti trans. Dh did a huge speech about extremists using the trans world to push women down and the importance of fact checking claims. He gave dd jk Rowling’s article explaining what she said. I’m proud dd wants to talk to us and listen but also that dh has come to the anti feminism opinion with very minimal conversation from me. My only comment has previously been how I worry a “cis woman” is now such a narrow stereotype that very few people will identify as such when we’re more than happy to be women with a broad spectrum.

My b/g dts 13 are tired of it all. They accept the LGBT stuff but are fed up with all the pronouns and extensive alphabet. They believe people are more than a label (or a letter of the alphabet).

I suppose because DS was brought up with gay aunt, cousin, uncle etc there was nothing really to raise eyebrows at.

Doesn’t every generation think that they invented sex?

This is encouraging. My DD age 10 was astonished when I recently explained about men identifying as women and vice versa. I really hope she doesn't get captured by the trans brigade in her teens.

We currently live abroad in a culturally conservative country though she is at an international school. It will be interesting to see how her school deals with these issues as she gets older - it sounds like the UK schools are well and truly captured, which doesn't make me want to return to the UK.

@SnotandBothered

DD (16) and DS (14) aren't buying into the woo at all, thankfully. They'd politely use a different pronoun if someone asked, but they'd be eye rolling behind their backs. `Trying to get DS up and out early on a Monday is often met with 'Mum I can't get move fast, I'm identifying as a sloth today'.

Interestingly their cousin (who is at a very well known Arts school) is VERY much going along with gender woo and ever-changing-pronouns but even he couldn't get on board with Laurel Hubbard.

The Arts Establishment is currently besotted with gender woo, especially at the younger end, and to style yourself 'non-binary' or 'queer' or what have you will probably open a lot of funding doors and commissions right now.

I went to art school way back when. Students were generally quirky, imaginative and creative. Mostly pretty laid back.

Pre-lockdown I went back to do a short course and saw a change in the general student ‘type’. Every day was a loud dramatic explosion in the canteen with at least one prima Donna flouncing out, scattering chairs as they went, young men in very extravagant dresses and skirts and full slap eyeballing people in an aggressive manner (and when you looked ‘AND WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT?????’.

And quite a few international students who kept their heads down and looked like they had landed on Mars.

No fun, these kids, no spark. Just antagonism and looking for a fight. I blame social media, reality tv and drag shows in tv...

My bil is really woke defenced the gender woo woo he is a artist

Got rejected for funding only looking for LGBT afrtists lol 😂 he was well pissed one can always be woke until realities bite

This thread has actually cheered me right up - so encouraging, thanks everyone for sharing. I've been feeling incredibly down about the state of affairs recently and it's lovely to think the young uns might be seeing things in the sunlight

When I was 15 we all had to do two weeks Work Experience. Mine was on a stud farm. You can't escape the blunt reality of mammalian biology on a farm, or pretend that sex is some kind of irrelevant spectrum when you've seen shagging and birth. Horse shagging isn't subtle.