Are younger teens and pre-teens rejecting gender woo?

[bellinisurge]

Saw someone on Twitter say this. My own early teen, who loves to disagree with me for the hell of it has started critiquing gender woo by herself. "I used to say stuff to wind you up, Mum. But it's just so ridiculous, isn't it". A classmate changes pronouns a few times a week and shouts at you if you misgender them apparently. Teen getting fed up of it.

My 15 year old hasn't been taken in, it's not mentioned and she rolls her eyes at me when I say anything.

She doesn't use the loo during the day (they are single cubicles onto a corridor, mixed sex blocks) but I can't pin down her reasons. Occasionally one of her friends will pop to ours to use ours (we live near the school,) so maybe none of them like using them.

@Helmetbymidnight

3 teens here- all gc to varying degrees of articulacy. its the 20-35 yr olds who are totally lost to the ideology ime.

I don’t know- I’m 21 and while I know many people my age who are on the gender bandwagon, I also know a fair few who are (admittedly more quietly) critical. It’s the side of common sense so maybe a few more will come round as they get older.

My DS scoffs at it all, he jokes he identifies as a Apache helicopter.

12 year old family friend is a budding feminist. Her English teacher told them that in the future no babies will be labelled girls or boys
All the girls kicked off about it. They also spoke out at the idea of males in their changing rooms

I was originally an 'Ally' in work when I thought it was all about fair equality. After my DD told me about her school experiences with girls flipping to be boys in school on a whim, and MN information, then men taking women's places in the Olympics, I now feel GC.

I'd say my teen DD set me in the right direction.

My teen will (I hope) go to 6th form college (or whatever they call it now) in a couple of years time. I'm hoping that won't be full of gender woo nonsense.

My 12 year old ds has his eyes wide open and isn't falling for it, the girls in his year are going for it big time though unfortunately.

My 14 yo nephew is 100% GC
Someone in his class announced they had "changed sex" over the summer holidays and now wanted to be called Leo and use Male pronouns. He said it is impossible to change sex, but he will use the preferred pronouns to be kind.

It's a start isnt it.

@bestbefore

My DS scoffs at it all, he jokes he identifies as a Apache helicopter.

That's a meme.

My teens are also very folly eyed about it all and have nothing but derision for the straight but boring kids coming out as non binary

It's huge with pre-teens and early teens here. More with girls than boys, the latter seem a little perplexed about it generally. I'm not so sure about older teens, but my sense is that it's more mixed. Many have a vague idea that it doesn't quite add up but it's not allowed to talk about it in public, even with friends.

No my Ds 13 is acutely aware that changing biological sex is impossible. Biology is important in my job. He's also aware of the issues self ID creates for women and girls.
First day back at school last week and PSE was once again about transgender people, a girl pal of his was sent out of class for saying she identified as a kettle .

My 17 year old has saying for a while that it’s often just an excuse to bully others. He was pally with a trans teen (would’ve been in 6th form then) at his school who apparently just got in with their studies, didn’t discuss it and was just ‘chilled’. Also used sex-relevant facilities.

God I hope so. I don't have teen DC yet so can't comment from personal experience.

With the pace at which things have been moving recently, becoming more ridiculous by the day, surely it can't go much further before it falls out of favour.

My 18yo dd has turned in the last 6 months. Will say TWAW but thinks that transwomen don't belong in women's sport or prisons and that genital preferences aren't transphobic which contradicts TWAW but there you go.

@salooone I really hope there are no negative repercussions for the female pupil who ID as a kettle.

I love it, as it shows the ridiculousness of selfID vs. reality.

My own observation though is that younger teens often don't have the abstract thought to really carefully analyse the problems of it all. An in fact sometimes it's the ones where they are more ahead that way who fall for it, because they are somewhat able to conceptualize an idea of gender apart from sex. But even those children are still not able to analyse the ideas and see how they fit together (or don't fit together) at the level of an older teen or young adult.

I think this is part of the push to get it into schools young. They know the kids that age don't have a lot of robust ability to be really skeptical yet.

Not here. 15yo dd is very woke, full-on TWAW. 13yo ds is heavily influenced by his sister.

@bellinisurge

Gives me a bit of hope. I am concerned about the backlash against LGB people when this implodes.

Same here OP

11 yo DD, 12 yo DS, 15 yo close family friend and 17 yo DSS are all critical in their own ways.

Their cynicism appears to have come from seeing peers jumping on the bandwagon for attention. Two friends are seen as “genuinely” trans and are exempt from their disapproval.

Aside from the attention seeking, one of DS’s friends has been called transphobic and ‘truscum’ at school because he is gay and said he wouldn’t be interested in dating transboys unless they looked like boys.

They reserve a similar level of eye rolling for those who loudly proclaim themselves as bi/pan but who would never actually date anyone of the same sex.

DD said “trans women are women / trans men are men” is just what everyone says because “save the turtles” and “no single use plastics” have been done to death. Virtual signalling for a new generation.

salooone, please ask your DS to give the girl who identified as a kettle a round of applause from me! She is definitely a Mumsnet viper in training!

The only transgender kids I know are very vulnerable kids (complex SeN, autism) who need all the specialist support they can get (and no hate from the general public)

This in contrast to the outspoken trans lobby who are alienating large swathes of the nation

It’s like the people who jumped on the band wagon are now ruining it for the genuine trans gender kids

DD said “trans women are women / trans men are men” is just what everyone says because “save the turtles” and “no single use plastics” have been done to death. Virtual signalling for a new generation.

Smart girl.

My teenage daughter does not care how someone identifies and is friendly with a transgirl in her class, she does not believe you can change your biological sex and thinks there should be single sex spaces, she plays football so recognises the need for this in sport. In a PSE lesson about transgender issues she said some of the boys were shouting out you can't change your sex, this is in a average, northern comprehensive school.

My bisexual niece has just turned 20. Like many people her first instinct was to 'side with the oppressed', but the more she's thought about it the less convinced she has become about trans ideology.
One of her oldest friends claims to be non-binary. My niece says she goes along with the pronouns thing "but she's still female".

My 9yo ds doesn't care at all, honestly doubt he'd care if a bomb fell next to him. Never met a child so laid back about everything

My 11yo ds is very vocal that you can't change sex. Every single week I worry more that his (very young) stepmum is going to persuade him otherwise...!