Are younger teens and pre-teens rejecting gender woo?

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Saw someone on Twitter say this. My own early teen, who loves to disagree with me for the hell of it has started critiquing gender woo by herself. "I used to say stuff to wind you up, Mum. But it's just so ridiculous, isn't it". A classmate changes pronouns a few times a week and shouts at you if you misgender them apparently. Teen getting fed up of it.

This is heartening to read. My 14yo dd says she's a boy so has been fully taken in by it. My 19yo dd also identified as a boy for 4 years but now says its a load of attention seeking rubbish. She's autistic and says she doesn't identify as a woman or man - i said 'oh would you say you're non binary then?' And she replied, 'if i was a fucking idiot'

My ds is just thinks good luck to anyone wanting to change gender although he is very outspoken about tw in womens' sport

This is great, and I'm heartened to hear it, but it doesn't change the regulatory capture that now has most of our institutions in its thrall. I just hope this new generation of gender sceptics can roll back the damage that has been done.

@moomoogalicious

This is heartening to read. My 14yo dd says she's a boy so has been fully taken in by it. My 19yo dd also identified as a boy for 4 years but now says its a load of attention seeking rubbish. She's autistic and says she doesn't identify as a woman or man - i said 'oh would you say you're non binary then?' And she replied, 'if i was a fucking idiot'

My ds is just thinks good luck to anyone wanting to change gender although he is very outspoken about tw in womens' sport

If that was my kid I’d ask them to show me how they do it. I’m genuinely interested in how people can make a statement like that and not follow it through. I can be quite literal like that though.

Regulatory capture is a big problem. But Stonewall will fall. No debate is over. The wretched Tories have been the only ones brave enough to talk about it. The Greens have a leadership candidate prepared to talk about it. The Indyref 2 debate in Scotland will have it as a factor in political discussion.
It'll start.

My 19 year old sister who loves Pride and drag, surprised me when we spoke about it, and thinks it is ridiculous and pro nouns should be sex based. My older sister 22 concedes certain certain spaces should be sex segregated when I told her about some of the incidents but when I bought up JK Rowling and ‘people who’ she just dismissed that as transphobic but couldn’t really articulate why. We ended the conversation there but I hope I’ve planted a seed

It's the Super Straight and Super Lesbian that seems to have taken off near me.

Believe me i have had many similar conversations with my dd. My mind is well and truly boggled.

Mine are 16 and 18 and view gender woo as complete nonsense. As far as I'm aware,it hasn't caught on at their school and college,and none of their friends have jumped on the bandwagon. The eldest is off to uni shortly,and I'm a bit worried that she'll be pushed into accepting this nonsense ',to be nice',but she'll be studying Zoology,and lives on a farm,so I'm hopeful that she'll remember that biological sex is different from gender.

I work with a group of young people, men and women in their early 20s, and they all think it is rubbish. They didn't agree with Laurel Hubbard being in the women's weightlifting at the Olympics. One of them knows someone who is gender fluid and they aren't rude to this person and try to change what pronoun they call them depending on what they are that day, but they still think it is nonsense. One commented on how they were a whole bunch of trans kids at their school and they thought it was just a fad, basically. I suspect that most young people don't really buy into it.
Its just we only hear from the really vocal ones.

One of my sons friends in his late teens has announced, very seriously, that his pronouns are they/them, and his neo pronouns are pup/pupself.

It worries me where it's going to end. Neo pronouns? Identifying as a dog? These kids are often (usually) very vulnerable. This one is. I am concerned for him and all the other kids who feel they have to join the bandwagon in order to fit in/be part of the crowd.

It’s not younger teens vs older this gender woo woo is working class

See what happens if Barry tries to get in to the women’s toilets on my estate

Their is a reason why most working class people are culturally conservative

Oh, and even the middle aged right-on people ( all women) I know who buy into this don't actually understand the ideology they are defending, and make statements that the ideology they are defending would consider wildly transphobic (such as sexuality being based on the sex of the people you are attracted to).
I doubt many of the people who defend and support this ideology actually understand what it is and its implications.

I have DD (13), DSS and DSD both in early 20's and all 3 think it's nonsense thankfully. I watch DD like a hawk, she's ASD and spends more time online than I'd like so I worry she's vulnerable. She's bright though and seems to get the wider implications so I hope that will be enough to stop her getting sucked in.

Any in most council estates if you announced you were trans your preferred pronouns would be dick/head

And if you get your cock out in front of kids here you will get burnt out your house 🤷‍♀️This is a middle class sit on a office kind of issue

Any in most council estates if you announced you were trans your preferred pronouns would be dick/head But that's not good though is it? Some people do have gender/body dysphoria and transitioning to live as if they are the opposite sex works for some people in managing their dysphoria. As PP said, we should be able to accept people without denying biology and compromising women's rights/ safeguarding and dignity.

I have to say that from the posts here most young people seem to have greater critical thinking skills than my middle class, middle aged friends.
One even denied that men were more likely to commit sex offences than women! (she had quite a different view until she decided that, as an uber leftie, she needed to defend all this gender ideology, so now she needs to believe whatever unbelievable shite someone makes up to justify this crap).

wednesdayweather

Their are people but a very minuscule amount however this explosion in blue haired he/hims is down to middle class decadence folk round here have grafting jobs were you come come dirty and sweating

We’re the poshest people in our street and I am a dinner lady and husband is a nurse nobody has time to ponder if their born in the wrong body

DD 15 is fine with all the "usual" homosexual, bisexual etc but her and her friends are very much of the opinion that the rest is attention seeking nonsense, makes no sense and generally done by trouble makers to disrupt a lesson (eg having a tantrum that they were misgendered accidentally by a teacher).

I feel quite sorry for the teachers. I've tried to make legitimate complaints about the other children being disadvantaged by this and you can tell they are just being torn in knots trying to say the right thing.

DS(12) thinks it’s ridiculous and he tells me (as a joke£ that he identifies as an attack helicopter and his pronouns are whizz/whirr 😂. If you mention someone is male/ female he does an over the top “did you just assume their gender??”

I think a lot of kids really understand the difference between sexual preference ie lesbian gay bisexual heterosexual and “identity” which is nothing to do with any of that but gets lumped in together so that people feel they have to go along with it to be politically correct.

@Mango1982

Any in most council estates if you announced you were trans your preferred pronouns would be dick/head

And if you get your cock out in front of kids here you will get burnt out your house 🤷‍♀️This is a middle class sit on a office kind of issue

I'd agree to a point but what I have seen here in Canada is huge numbers of kids who are in care or at risk get sucked into gender ideology. Many, though not all, come from poor or otherwise at risk families.

I agree with the working class thing, that's very much my background and DSC have been brought up in one of the roughest areas around here, and it's true that the vast majority don't have time to ponder what they 'identify as'.

My kids were initially very annoyed if I mentioned anything that wasn't entirely positive about pronouns and trans rights. Now they're increasingly sceptical of the kids they know who are changing pronouns and then a month later changing back again. Similarly dd said she really didn't like the idea of 'the person who was Ollie who is now Gina' (not real names!) using the same changing room.

And during the Olympics we agreed that Laurel Hubbard should not have been in a women's sports competition, but dd did add 'she still has a right to exist Mum!' As if anyone ever said otherwise .

My 11 year old daughter told me the other day that she thought bunny pronouns were ridiculous- it was my 18 year old downstairs (female) neighbour who told me about those! She also thought that was ridiculous! I live in a very working class area and only know of one transgender person here. As far as I know, she is treated as well as any other person which is obviously the way it should be. There did used to be a man who wore women's clothes and got into arguments with everyone and blamed it on his dress sense but he was just very argumentative from what I heard (and he was on the ASD spectrum)

@MissyB1

My 12 year old ds has his eyes wide open and isn't falling for it, the girls in his year are going for it big time though unfortunately.

Same with my DS13 and his mates.

Boys all seem to think it's tosh but the girls on the other hand.........