A Green Party leader to 'welcome politically homeless women'

[GreenGretel]

A candidate in the Green Party election contest wants to welcome back women who have been left politically homeless by the assault on sex-based rights.

I'd urge any Green-minded people to join or re-join the party by 27th Aug in order to vote for Shahrar Ali. You can join (if only temporarily) for as little as £13 here: join.greenparty.org.uk/

Shahrar Ali stands a good chance of winning, having previously been deputy leader and gaining 24% of first-preference votes in 2020. He is speaking up unequivocally for women's sex-based rights. You can read his full statement on Facebook here: www.facebook.com/ShahrarAliGreenParty/posts/190051301345352.

He is also in the Guardian here: www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/17/green-transgender-rights-row-leadership-shahrar-ali-sian-berry

If Shahrar wins, he will be the first leader of a British political party willing to stand up to gender identity ideology.

I’ve joined too.

@Signalbox

Well DH and I are just about to join. What do they class as low waged though? It doesn't say anywhere? Don't want to claim that unfairly.

Knowing the Greens, so long as you self-identify as being low waged that'll be fine.

😂😂

I joined

I've joined. I always used to vote Green at local elections until they decided that only be-penised women count.

I've joined and I'm so excited by this. I hope he gets lots of support

@Passmeamenuatthetottenham

Have just seen the 'TERF Floaters' video - that is absolutely vile. Imagine speaking about people like that?

And the woman on the right wants to run for leadership???

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, I mean, it's like petty bitchy children!

Thank you for posting this. I have just now joined the greens and will vote for him. I was previously politically active but have been “politically homeless” for some time now. It is sad that men can take this stance in public and receive so much less abuse than women, but it’s always the way. Powerless women can’t just take their share of equal power all by themselves, but positive change is achieved by men like this.

As recent events in Afghanistan show, all that women take for granted (education, finance, political representation, sexuality, the list goes on) can turn on a dime when the men around us no longer support women. Sex is why women are oppressed, and gender norms/conventions of a society, time and place are how they are oppressed.

The greens ought to backing SA without question.

They are a small party and this, in one single leadership election gives them a potentially massive pool of disenfranchised left/centre female voters to win over.

The same voters that actually punch above their weight on local environmental issues by being the majority who make household shopping choices from clothes to food and cleaning products.

All the main parties now have a green agenda (with admittedly varying degrees of commitment) so if they want to stand for more, offer more and be a legitimate choice they have to offering something no other left/centre party is doing. This could be it.

Yet I can't help feel they will self sabotage....

SA comes across as very measured and thoughtful and was one of very few senior greens to reacted appropriately to the Challenor debacle and the subsequent Veritas report.

I genuinely hope he wins.

Does this all have anything to do with the greens cozying up to the SNP?

I have just joined, I like what I have heard about Shahrar Ali who both seems prepared to rationally debate issues affecting women rather than trying to silence them and appears keen to return the focus of the Green Party to climate issues! However if anyone is aware of any skeletons in the closet or right wing veiws please let me know. I am NOT transphobic but I believe wholeheartedly in rational and polite debate.

I do think Tamsin Ormond is problematic. She is obviously very charismatic and is patently not trans but simply a lesbian with a short haircut who doesn't want to be treated like women are usually treated in society and politics (anymore than the rest of us do). She doesn't have gender dysphoria she is patently very pleased with her female body and herself generally. She's a bit like Jane Austen's Emma, recklessly causing mayhem because of her over confidence and her lack of real understanding of how life is for those less priviledged than herself.

Hi Faybian re SA, there were accusations of anti-semitism but when I read the quotes there wasn't anything that bothered me. I think it was campaign Against Anti-semitism I found them on but it was a while back.

A long-standing member in my local party thinks his views are sound but he's not good at the politics bit.

As regards your comments on TO. I feel a bit uncomfortable about calling an individual problematic. I don't like some of her views but on a public forum I'd rather criticise what she says than her personality.

Posts from here have appeared on Green Spaces before and the Green code "In all interactions with colleagues, assume the best of them" gets trotted out along with "Look at the terrible transphobes being mean in public. Not a Green attitude." I think if you said that on Green Spaces you'd be open to disciplinary action...except there is barely any moderation.

From what I can work out from a couple of conversations on there, there is some doxxing too. I name change regularly now - never felt the need before joining the Green party!

Glinner has just commented on that Terf video

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@KittenKong

Does this all have anything to do with the greens cozying up to the SNP?

No. Scottish Greens are a 'sister' group to the GP of England and Wales, but separate. GPEW has nothing to do with the SNP.

Re the video describing 't*rfs' as 'floaters':

It is dehumanisation. Very clearly so.

I can't imagine another setting where politicians (or erstwhile) compare humans to faeces and don't face uproar.

Non female humans anyway.

I take your point but I think with TO it is a bit about a cult of personality which is something that I think she deliberately courts. In this media age it is perhaps a part and parcel of politics. What I am saying is that I think the personality she chooses to project, which I think is intended to be a role model for progressive young people, is in my opinion problematic for the reasons described above. I am sure I'd get banned on the Greens message boards, which is why I'm here not there!

Very tenpted. I joined the Soc Dems because they are sensible about women, and I'm not sure I want to leave them, but I could do it temporarily.....thinking.

I've joined. I've been politically homeless for a while now, and sad about it

Although I've been a member for a year or so I've only recently joined the boards.

I'd strongly suggest channeling the extremely polite and respectful mn approach to debate if you do, along with a robust Bunbury attitude, as a number of the pro trans lot seem to fling a lot of goady slanderous labels around, 'phobes etc and general hyperbole.

Emma's responses are fantastic despite the goading. It makes them look childish next to her measured responses.

One tra poster clearly reads Glinner and is aware of women joining to vote for SA.

Re, Polite and Respectful: There was once a lobby-group that was getting nowhere because it was perceived as strident and ridiculous, so it put on a smart suit and put forward calm and reasoned people to speak on its behalf quietly and modestly.

That was the great sucess of Stonewall 1.0

Ha, true! Though they still don't make any sense and spout hyperbole...

(Or is that stonewall 2.0?)

@WarriorN

(Or is that stonewall 2.0?)

Indeed.

And now the likes of Simon Fanshawe and Matthew Parris who did so much good with their advocacy in Stonewall 1.0 have denounced 2.0

The "floater" video is marked as private just now when I tried to view it. Very brave.