"It's not terrorism": Plymouth *title edited by MNHQ at OP's request*

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As soon as everyone saw the "It's not terrorism" reassurance last night wrt to the wretched events in Portsmouth - how many of us knew that the media would report a story about a young man with history of anger about lacking sexual experience with women?

[X] 23, a bodybuilder who appears obsessed with not being attractive to women and being without a girlfriend, has been named by people in the Devon naval city as the gunman with a five-year-old girl and several relatives feared to be among his victims.

I won't use X's name.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9890209/I-Terminator-Rambling-videos-fat-ugly-virgin-23-went-rampage-Plymouth.html

archive of article: archive.is/CkHNb

It's not Portsmouth: Plymouth

I suspected as much, sadly...

I'd actually assumed family annihilator who had killed a partner and child as she tried to escape him. Either way it's awful.

But I'd definitely assumed male shooter even before hearing the rest.

There is no surprise that a murderous aggrieved bastard found it hard to find a partner, really.

Male violence against women IS terrorism. Every woman in the UK and in fact, the world lives in fear of men and their violence. I walked past three teenage boys yesterday. They were walking their dogs and chatting, but I still had to take a moment to wonder if I would be safe to interact with them. Luckily, all they felt brave enough to do was to mimic my voice when I was well past them. What if they had decided that my speaking to them was disrespectful and had no fear of consequences? What if they had decided that my NOT speaking to them... well, we all know the thought process.

@JeSuisPrest

It's not Portsmouth: Plymouth

Reported to MN (I hope they'll edit for me).

Didn't the police plead with people not to speculate?

Joan Smith:

A recent horrific case suggests that counter-terrorism officials need to be alert to the possibility that extreme misogyny is in itself a form of radicalisation. Last month a 19-year-old man was convicted of the murders of two sisters, Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman, in north London. At his trial, it emerged that Danyal Hussein had been referred to Prevent in 2017 after using school computers to access far-right material.

He appeared in front of a Channel panel, the statutory body that assesses the risk posed by individuals, but was discharged a few months later with no continuing concerns in relation to extremism or terrorism. Yet Hussein would later draw up a “contract” with a “demon” in which he promised to kill six women – and only women – in six months in return for winning the lottery. He refused to give detectives his passwords, so it is impossible to confirm a suspicion that he may have accessed incel sites on the web. But in a note that echoes the incel obsession with not feeling sufficiently attractive to women, he pledged to “offer some blood” in exchange for making a girl fall in love with him.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/05/many-terrorists-abuse-women-research-extremist-attackers-violent-misogyny

Yesterday they did, this morning he’s been named & it’s widely reported that he had listed a lot on social media about his inability to lose weight and anger at night getting a gf

twitter.com/everydaysexism/status/1426119814695825410?s=21

Nails it

@Bryonyshcmyony

Didn't the police plead with people not to speculate?

My intention was not so much to speculate about the incident but about the media handling of the story.

As soon as the phrase, "It's not terrorism" was used - I thought it was predictable as to how the media coverage would go next.

@Bryonyshcmyony

Didn't the police plead with people not to speculate?

He's been named by local news organisations as well as by the DM, who have also reported on this man's YouTube channel and its content. It's not speculation, it's discussion of reported details relating to this incident.

Gosh, that does sound a lot like terrorism, doesn't it? What's the definition?

A little girl and many other lost their lives yesterday over this piece of shit's sexual frustrations - disgusted doesn't even come close. Sickening when we something be done about incel movement!

everyone should read “men who hate women” by Laura Bates.

Listen to Men Who Hate Women by Laura Bates on Audible. www.audible.co.uk/pd?asin=B08GKYST6P&source_code=ASSORAP0511160006

Will something

Doesn’t the incel movement come under Prevent monitoring? It should do, if it doesn’t.

To me, when they use the term "It's not terrorism"
They mean he is white

And still misogyny isn't considered a hate crime. As soon as I saw this I thought it would either be related to domestic violence or the incel movement. I don't agree with those who want to redefine any mass killing as terrorism, but I would definitely include the incel movement as terrorism because it has a philosophy and an aim. As relevant to this particular board, I don't think there's much of a leap from the incel movement to the cotton-ceiling branch of a certain other movement.

Ah well, you see, it's not terrorism if the perpetrator is white and/or non Muslim and/or specifically targets women apparently. 🙄

Terrorism is the act of terrorising, creating terror, making people scared as hell and if shooting people isn't creating fear and distress and terrifying them then I don't know what is.

@Sobeyondthehills

To me, when they use the term "It's not terrorism" They mean he is white

Yes pretty much.

@Sobeyondthehills

To me, when they use the term "It's not terrorism" They mean he is white

I always think of this cartoon

@Theeyeballsinthesky

twitter.com/everydaysexism/status/1426119814695825410?s=21

Nails it

Yes, it does.

Could you think what would happen if every young man who feels entitled to sex were referred to Prevent ?

It would be so implausible that I'm sure we'd see even worse options offered - or arguments that this is why society should destigmatise the purchase of sex to the point where it's an everyday consumer item (I have seen a few TV series that normalise this) and valorised as a public health measure.

Every woman in the UK and in fact, the world lives in fear of men and their violence. I walked past three teenage boys yesterday. They were walking their dogs and chatting, but I still had to take a moment to wonder if I would be safe to interact with them.

Please do not take it upon yourself to speak for "every woman in the world". I walk past teenage boys, and men, every day of my life and don't ever have to take a moment to wonder if I would be safe! Typical of the hyperbole on these threads.

@Saucery

Doesn’t the incel movement come under Prevent monitoring? It should do, if it doesn’t.

Joan Smith's article is a good overview of why this would be helpful - I don't know what it would take for this to be viewed seriously.

A slight aside but I noticed on the BBC story about this that the people he killed were referred to as females and males rather than women and men. Sounded really jarring to me and I wonder if that’s because the BBC so often uses women to refer to men.