#AskRapeCrisisScotland

[MaudTheInvincible]

Is trending at number 1 in the UK at present. I haven't been around all day so I'm not sure what this has happened in response to and came here to find out, but there aren't any threads. Heart breaking reading these stories and the effects on rape victims who can't access support services because they've been excluded by male-centring policy.

Still there

Hi, sorry, is the AIBU thread about this still up? I got notifications but when I click on them it takes me to the AIBU posts home and not to the thread??

Me too but no deletion message and its not on the list of threads.

Twitter keep deboosting the # and reducing the number of tagged tweets too.

Sorry, ignore me! Got it now.

Apparently it was moved from AIBU and back again, so I guess that must have coincided with when I was trying to click on the link.

Thanks midge

Or something else is going on. I can see the thread in the AIBU section and can click into from there, but not from notifications, and it's not listed in the trending posts.

There's a tweetup at the moment which claims that the screen shoots RCS have posted as evidence of the abuse they are receiving are actually from a while ago in response to them campaigning to prevent women having the right to request the sex of the HCP who examined them after being raped. Who'd have thought women would be angry about that?

Of the 4 screenshots 2 are still up on Twitter and are dated 8th and 10th of Dec. The Parliament debate and vote on the #sixwords amendment to change the word gender to sex was on the 10th.

Tweets: archive.ph/F5o8g and archive.ph/fppId

They seem quite mild to me, considering.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mridul-wadhwa-rape-crisis-boss-under-fire-over-challenge-to-bigot-victims-fjfwpsbvr

Share tokens not working today for me, apols

There's an archive of it archive.is/gezUd

The Critic covering this too

thecritic.co.uk/reframe-your-trauma/

[quote Tesla73]The Critic covering this too

thecritic.co.uk/reframe-your-trauma/[/quote]
And Brendan O Neill for Spiked

www.spiked-online.com/2021/08/11/now-even-rape-victims-are-being-called-bigots/

@BetsyM00

Of the 4 screenshots 2 are still up on Twitter and are dated 8th and 10th of Dec. The Parliament debate and vote on the #sixwords amendment to change the word gender to sex was on the 10th.

Tweets: archive.ph/F5o8g and archive.ph/fppId

They seem quite mild to me, considering.

I mean if you look at some of the utterly reprehensible things TRAs tweet to women, these are incredibly mild.

Apparently it was moved from AIBU and back again, so I guess that must have coincided with when I was trying to click on the link

Is there an HQ message? I can't find one.

If the monitors asked for it to be moved and it wasn't they won't be happy.

The Brendan O'Neill piece for Spiked is excellent. I can't honestly say that I've ever thought of O'Neill as a feminist - far from it - but he gets this exactly right.

I've been reading alot of Brendans articles on Spiked over the past few weeks and agree he is spot on most of the time

He did a really good interview with Helen Joyce too.

I never used to be able to stand him, but I think he actually started listening to women in the last couple of years, and it shows.

relevant threads:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4234774-New-CEO-of-Edinburgh-Rape-Crisis

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4318605-I-think-Ive-figured-out-why-the-Guilty-Feminists-feel-guilty

I think Brendan O’Neill is a vile individual generally - his past comments about racism, homosexuality and climate change disgust me. But that article is really good.

It’s a very odd and disorientating feature of this debate that I find myself agreeing with people, particularly men, who I otherwise can’t stand.

It’s a very odd and disorientating feature of this debate that I find myself agreeing with people, particularly men, who I otherwise can’t stand.

Let’s face it, they have a very low bar to clear - they just need to appear vaguely aware of the reality if sex.

"Coordinated"

No, just women who are upset, offended and angry that they're being called bigots for wanting same sex services and that if we request those services we should expect to be "educated" out of those views because apparently being raped by someone with a penis doesn't mean we get to say no to any other penis!!

Any other group rising up to speak like this, they would be listened to. Heck, you see companies Twitter accounts on their knees from one tweet. But not women, no. We're "harmful".

They could have just clarified that women's requests to be seen by a female is absolutely fine, sorry for the confusion. But no, reframe women as the attackers, that'll fucking help matters won't it 🙄

For Women Scotland wrote a statement prior to the most recent statement from Rape Crisis which addresses the 'abuse' they have received -

'RCS and other groups like Scottish Women’s Aid and Engender feel under attack. They, and their supporters are angered that they are being criticised (or, as they have claimed, abused). We understand this. Yet, what they fail to acknowledge is that the most angry, devastated voices are from the women they were set up to help and, in some cases, the women who did build the shelters and centres, who counselled, or sat on the board. These women, along with ourselves, take no pleasure in criticising these services. We want services that centre victims and support women. But these survivors know – none better – that erasing the relevance of sex in conversations about male violence or the trauma reaction of victims is counter-productive, dishonest and harmful to women.

We know they can, and perhaps should, support other groups – although perhaps these would work better as stand alone services. We know that one doesn’t have to be female to understand male violence and respond sensitively or help victims. All we ask is that a woman who only wants to speak to other females, be they counsellors or other members of a group session, can be guaranteed this. Surely that isn’t too much to promise women who have suffered so much?'

I think this post has been posted already on this thread but the whole statement is here -
forwomen.scot/10/08/2021/the-real-crisis-at-rape-crisis-scotland/

We hear often from survivors that engaging with Rape Crisis support saved their life

Then perhaps worry about the women who you know will not come to you and will not leave their situations because they cannot use a mixed sex space. (And ask your CEO to stop laughing about it, openly on camera during filmed meetings.)

and we would urge people fearmongering about services

Telling the truth and sharing your own words? Were they not supposed to be shared with the general public? Is it a secret?

to consider the impact that dissuading people from accessing support has on survivors.

Ah. If we don't tell women they're going to a mixed sex space and will be forced to have male counsellors or be punished then there is no problem? Seriously? If we pretend it isn't happening there won't be an impact? How about actually addressing the problem for females instead of trying to stop them talking about it?

This is not compatible with our view of a feminist Scotland.

Where feminism has been warped to mean 'male centred'.

Just in disbelief at this.

They, and their supporters are angered that they are being criticised (or, as they have claimed, abused). We understand this. Yet, what they fail to acknowledge is that the most angry, devastated voices are from the women they were set up to help

THIS ^^

This is not compatible with our view of a feminist Scotland.

Gaslighting traumatised women by telling them they are bigots and need re-ducating to accept men as women is deeply abusive behaviour and not compatible with feminism at all.

@MummBraTheEverLeaking

"Coordinated"

No, just women who are upset, offended and angry that they're being called bigots for wanting same sex services and that if we request those services we should expect to be "educated" out of those views because apparently being raped by someone with a penis doesn't mean we get to say no to any other penis!!

Any other group rising up to speak like this, they would be listened to. Heck, you see companies Twitter accounts on their knees from one tweet. But not women, no. We're "harmful".

They could have just clarified that women's requests to be seen by a female is absolutely fine, sorry for the confusion. But no, reframe women as the attackers, that'll fucking help matters won't it 🙄

'co ordinated' means women have been talking amongst themselves, and that is never a good thing.