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HermioneKipper · 06/08/2021 10:34

My thread asking about transwomen/transitioning/penises has been deleted.

Why are we not allowed to discuss this? It’s a genuine question and extremely relevant to the debate about transwomen entering female spaces.

There was no abuse of trans people that I could see aside from a few people attempting to derail by saying that they couldn’t see why women might be concerned about having to share their space!

This isn’t right

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YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 06/08/2021 11:35

Hello @HermioneKipper. We'd like to clarify that your thread was deleted because a number of posts were breaking our guidelines (as the deletion message said) for generalising. If you'd like more detail about this, please drop us a line.

We really must insist that discussions surrounding sex and gender remain civil, and as many of the posts on your deleted thread did not break our guidelines, we don't think it's an unreasonable ask.

If you're not already familiar with our guidelines, please take a look.

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YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 06/08/2021 11:42

@TrifleCat

What’s the point of this separate board if we can’t discuss things openly on here?
Hello @TrifleCat - the site-wide guidelines still apply on this board. We're not here to trip anyone up though, and so if you're unsure about any aspect of our moderation, we're always happy to discuss it.
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YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 06/08/2021 12:02

@NonnyMouse1337

We really must insist that discussions surrounding sex and gender remain civil, and as many of the posts on your deleted thread did not break our guidelines, we don't think it's an unreasonable ask.

That makes no sense at all. The specific posts that break guidelines should be deleted instead of an entire thread that by your own admission was mostly fine. This is usually what happens on other threads. So why was an entire thread that was civil and had useful contributions pulled off? Confused

How does it not make sense? Not being glib - genuine question!

Many posts were what we'd consider civil and reasonable, as many again were breaking guidelines. This is why the entire thread was removed. The entire thread was not civil.

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YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 06/08/2021 12:27

Hello all - sorry, it looks like I could be clearer in explaining things and I don't want to be the cause of any confusion. In our view the thread was had many sweeping generalisations that do not sit well with our guidelines.

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There were way too many of these type of posts on the thread to warrant keeping it. (Nb we are going to edit this message shortly to remove these posts - it’s too easy for them to be screengrabbed and used against us.) But we want to be clear we will continue to delete generalisations like this and those who keep posting them will be in danger of a ban, while still of course being committed to allowing this important conversation to continue on Mumsnet. Thank you.

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YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 06/08/2021 12:47

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

Thanks for clarifying, Becky.

I'd add my own frustration to the posters saying they have had posts deleted or been given a strike but they don't know why.

I've been in the same situation and either didn't get an email saying what I'd done wrong or it was something vague which lacked information I could use to ensure I stay in the guidelines.

I'm not a GF. I don't want to make trouble for MN because I really value this space.

However, it is very difficult to stick to undefined guidelines. I'm exasperated that unofficial moderators' can shut down women's discussion about issues which impact our lives.

I am glad that we have somewhere to discuss it, though and I'm glad that so many women benefit from the thoughtful posts on here. Some of those women are journalists and politicians and women with power - so, take heart, OP, it's never in vain.

We don't always mail a poster if they've had a post deleted (we will if it's a strike) but you are quite welcome to get in touch with us at any time if something we've done is baffling you - we will reply. You say that the guidelines are undefined - we try and make things as clear as possible but we do understand that some things deserve further explanation - as above, please get in touch. Wrt 'unofficial moderators' - this isn't something we see tbh, but even if a post was reported 100 times, if it doesn't break guidelines, we won't delete it.
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YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 06/08/2021 12:48

@FlibbertyGiblets

Can we please not be rude to the HQ staff, I know feelings run high, my eyebrows have had a huge workout and the Prof Blanchard info on the now deleted thread has been most instructive.

But please, don't take it out on the mods. It is rude and aggressive to say for example, paraphrasing, "grow up" to a mod. I am not tone policing or asking for Be Kind, I am saying remember staff are people doing their jobs.
Thank you.

Thank you! I can take it - but it's not nice all the same. Smile
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YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 06/08/2021 12:53

@Mulletsaremisunderstood

The thing is, by deleting the whole thread instead of individual posts, you are punishing those who post civilly, for the actions of those who post 'uncivilly'. Therefore, it is very easy for nefarious detractors to come in a get a whole thread wiped by using a few well placed posts. We know they do this intentionally to disrupt conversations.

Can MNHQ clarify how exactly we can discuss AGP, under what parameters? Is it just any mention of the word, or can we not speak of it at all? If not, why not? If we are not mentioning individuals, but speaking of AGP tendencies, why is this not allowed?

There is research out there showing that it is real, it exists. Why is it offensive to talk about? Prominent transwomen have acknowledged that they have AGP. We are not imagining this. And it does impact women in public spaces.

I sympathise OP, I remember when I got a few strikes back when I first started posting in FWR. I was pretty shocked at how much was moderated, on a women's site, where women are discussing how this affects us. It's infuriating.

We don't ban discussions about AGP - but suggestions that it's the main motivation for transition does not sit within our guidelines.
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