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Posie on Talk Radio this evening

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NancyDrawed · 04/08/2021 17:03

KJK was on Talk radio yesterday (starts at 53.40 on this clip) and the host (Kevin O'Sullivan)was really pushing her on pronouns for Laurel Hubbard, which KJ was not budging on. (I was already cross with the him for repeatedly saying Transwomen and cis women leading in to the segment!)

KJK has put on Facebook that she is back on this evening - it would appear that Kevin O'Sullivan has found someone from the trans side to have a live debate with KJK (don't know who, though, or if they are an ally or a TRA or a regular TW). Also, there is not a time given on the Standing for Women page, and annoyingly, I will be out this evening, so won't be able to to listen live.

I'd not seen it mentioned here yet, but thought it might make for an interesting listen.

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LMNybjy744 · 04/08/2021 23:23

His male privilege was leaping off the screen. Every time he acknowledged a negative impact on women he immediately had a “but…” clause. But the poor menz.
He came across as entitled, ill informed, misogynistic and out of date- stuck in the past. And that’s without even looking at the infamous article he wrote.

beastlyslumber · 04/08/2021 23:55

How is she so calm and patient? Amazing. She was fab.

EdgeOfACoin · 05/08/2021 05:56

@ShamelessCurtainTwitcher

Where does Tatchell propose those unreformed offenders try on clothes then? Will there be a third space for them? Will they have to wear a label on their pronoun pin so we know they haven’t “deemed safe” by the powers that be?
That really was a stupid comment, wasn't it? What, are M&S and high street gyms really going to ask all mtf transitioners to have a background check before allowing them to use their changing rooms?

Doubtful!

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NancyDrawed · 05/08/2021 07:05

How annoying that PT got so much more air time than KJK.

She did really well to get the points across that she did and her head shakes and facial expressions spoke volumes

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DaisiesandButtercups · 05/08/2021 07:32

Kellie-Jay if you are reading this then thank you so much for standing up for women and girls, and indeed reality, sanity and freedom of speech and thought!

Hearing correct sex pronouns is such a blessed relief!

Thank you NancyDrawed for sharing the video link.

KevinBaconsJeans · 05/08/2021 08:36

Just watched. That needs a blood pressure warning! KJK did brilliantly considering she could hardly get a word in.

I think it would be useful to start every one of these interviews and debates by reading out stonewall's definition of trans. The men were acting like trans is a synonym for post op HSTS.

"Trans
An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.

Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois."

EdgeOfACoin · 05/08/2021 08:41

KJK mentioned 12-year-olds in the US having double mastectomies.

I am aware that such surgery has been performed on 13-year-olds over there (not legal in the UK, I believe). Does anyone know the source for the 12-year-olds? The trouble is, people will dismiss Kellie's statement out of hand because it sounds so preposterous, even if it is true.

It would be handy to know a few more of the details.

ScreamingMeMe · 05/08/2021 09:20

I came across this set of tweets as a result of that TalkRadio tweet. Absolutely shocking that a.grown adult and a surgeon acts like this.

"Turns out my surgeon is on tiktok advertising her services (username: gendersurgeon). She loves talking about "yeeting the teets", which I guess is the, uh... professional term for double mastectomy these days?"

twitter.com/HormoneHangover/status/1360596992427249667?s=20

ScreamingMeMe · 05/08/2021 09:23

@EdgeOfACoin

KJK mentioned 12-year-olds in the US having double mastectomies.

I am aware that such surgery has been performed on 13-year-olds over there (not legal in the UK, I believe). Does anyone know the source for the 12-year-olds? The trouble is, people will dismiss Kellie's statement out of hand because it sounds so preposterous, even if it is true.

It would be handy to know a few more of the details.

Somebody posted this (I've only skim-read it):

""Because pubertal development of people who are assigned female at birth may begin as early as 8 or 9 years of age, completion of puberty is plausible even as young as 12 years."

twitter.com/CarlBrownisback/status/1423021208778559501?s=20

Datun · 05/08/2021 09:49

Just watched. That needs a blood pressure warning! KJK did brilliantly considering she could hardly get a word in.

Unfortunately I didn't get to hear it. When these programmes don't give women the same amount of air time, it infuriates me, it shouldn't ever be acceptable. So I'm quite glad on behalf of my blood pressure.

Posie is easy on the eye, articulate, and informed. And has granite like determination. Now the subject is becoming more mainstream, I really hope she gets invited everywhere to talk. Her refusal to capitulate to any part of the ideology makes for good telly/radio.

It will become clear that questions like what is a woman, how do you live as a woman, and the Staniland question are simply never answered.

RoyalCorgi · 05/08/2021 10:29

He came across as entitled, ill informed, misogynistic and out of date.

I'm shocked. Grin

It's not surprising that these men are ill-informed. People like Tatchell, Owen Jones and so on don't listen to the arguments at all. As soon as a woman starts to reason with them on Twitter, they block her. They're permanently set to broadcast, not to receive.

So of course they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about - but with the supreme arrogance of the mediocre man, they are completely confident that they know better than a woman who is both well-informed and has lived experience of the subject.

beastlyslumber · 05/08/2021 10:41

Was I hallucinating, or did I hear that Owen Jones is going to have Helen Joyce on his podcast?

Floisme · 05/08/2021 10:48

@beastlyslumber

Was I hallucinating, or did I hear that Owen Jones is going to have Helen Joyce on his podcast?
I think Janice Turner suggested to OJ the other that he invite Helen Joyce - and /or a list of other knowledgeable women - onto his podcast. I would be gobsmacked if he took her up on it.
Floisme · 05/08/2021 10:48

the other day

EdgeOfACoin · 05/08/2021 10:52

Once upon a time Owen Jones used to like speaking with people who disagreed with him. He interviewed Jacob Rees-Mogg once, and Peter Hitchens.

It would be good if he did speak with Helen Joyce. If he is secure in his own point of view, what is there to be afraid of?

Floisme · 05/08/2021 10:57

From what I recall from his tweeting the other day, OJ will only discuss these issues with trans people. He doesn't accept there is any conflict with women's rights.

beastlyslumber · 05/08/2021 11:05

He's had a few people on his podcast that I assume he disagrees with - George Galloway, Peter Hitchens, some other blokes. I doubt he'd dare take on Helen Joyce but if he did! That would be amazing.

I don't know why I thought this. Maybe hallucinating from lack of sleep.

RoyalCorgi · 05/08/2021 11:32

It would be good if he did speak with Helen Joyce. If he is secure in his own point of view, what is there to be afraid of?

He won't do it because he knows Helen Joyce will wipe the floor with him. And there is nothing more humiliating than being trounced by a woman.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2021 12:16

He won't do it because he knows Helen Joyce will wipe the floor with him. And there is nothing more humiliating than being trounced by a woman.

I think that's it. He invited Andrew Doyle on but Doyle said he wanted a neutral debate with an impartial moderator, I think, not to go on the LOJ show.

SpindleWhorl · 05/08/2021 12:21

@beastlyslumber

Was I hallucinating, or did I hear that Owen Jones is going to have Helen Joyce on his podcast?
There is a fake photo I think of OJ circulating, holding a copy of Trans. I read a couple of messages from Glinner about it.
Floisme · 05/08/2021 12:35

I think Doyle's objection was that OJ made contact with him via a snarky tweet, as opposed to inviting him via a personal email or phone call, so Doyle was sceptical as to whether the invitation was in good faith.

It did degenerate into a 'You come on my podcast' - 'No you come on my podcast' kind of thing. The last thing I saw, the Triggernometry guys had chipped in and offered to host it. Not sure how it got resolved!

Mulletsaremisunderstood · 05/08/2021 12:41

@beastlyslumber

He's had a few people on his podcast that I assume he disagrees with - George Galloway, Peter Hitchens, some other blokes. I doubt he'd dare take on Helen Joyce but if he did! That would be amazing.

I don't know why I thought this. Maybe hallucinating from lack of sleep.

Interesting that he is probably just about ok with debating with men he disagrees with, but not with women. No surprises there.
BettyFilous · 05/08/2021 12:57

It would be good if he did speak with Helen Joyce. If he is secure in his own point of view, what is there to be afraid of?

A pile on, swiftly followed by cancellation, by his own followers for even giving an opponent a platform.

oldwomanwhoruns · 05/08/2021 12:59

I've just watched this online - it's on at 1:21:41 here:

Posie was SO SO brilliant. Tatchell just time-wasted (as said in the thread above), & hogged the time with his stupid waffle.

But Kelly held firm and didn't get side-tracked.

The interviewer should have STOPPED Tatchell wittering on. And he should have pulled up Tatchell on his misogynistic comments about women rugby players.

But Tatchell's outright lies!! That transition is undertaken after careful medical supervision and makes people feel better... no no no, Mr Tatchell. That's not what the research says.

And his gobsmacking suggestion that after TWs are found to be dangerous to women they should be somehow prevented from access. How about stopping them from entering in the first place, Mr Tatchell?? Isn't that how safeguarding works??

I think that I now need to go for a lie down. Or a stiff gin.

nauticant · 05/08/2021 13:16

Does anyone know the source for the 12-year-olds?

I was also curious @EdgeOfACoin and went looking. I could find 13 year olds but not younger. The closest I found was this:

jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2674039

having the ever-creepy Johanna Olson-Kennedy as an author:

At the time of survey, the mean (SD) age of postsurgical participants was 19 (2.5) years (range, 14-25 years). The length of time between survey and chest surgery varied from less than 1 year to 5 years (Table 2). The mean (SD) age at chest surgery in this cohort was 17.5 (2.4) years (range, 13-24 years)

Most transmasculine youth are accessing care after or near completion of breast development, necessitating surgical intervention for those who wish to have a masculine-appearing chest contour. Because pubertal development of people who are assigned female at birth may begin as early as 8 or 9 years of age, completion of puberty is plausible even as young as 12 years.