#nothankyou

[notaclownfish]

Perfect response.
twitter.com/artofhunger75/status/1422592460438519809?s=19

And they may well be thinking, if Martina navratilova can lose work and sponsorship and funding then so can we. I would not blame them if they explained it all away at the next opportunity after some careful coaching, and we are disappointed with what they say.

But don't be. It really was very clear what they thought. And if they declare a very different view in the next few days, it will also be clear that they have been silenced.

My thoughts precisely. I’ve no doubt that thumbscrews are being tightened and repentance demanded right now.

Just saw this. Fantastic response. They can't say what they think, so they say nothing.

I saw a quote from the British competitor where she said that rules were rules. But she wasn't glowing with support for Hubbard.

Did you notice when they were asked the question, the woman in the middle raised her hand like she wanted to hide her face or brush something off. It was obviously a sore topic.

Oh this made my day! I felt so proud of those women - so dignified and their silence was deafening!!

Women are always measured against the default male standard.

Even if the male in question believes themself to be female, we are expected to centre our attention to that male.

Fuck off. I mean, #nothankyou

I just keep thinking about the male entitlement behind the question.

Three brilliant female competitors give their all in a fight with an exceptional athlete achieving an Olympic Record and a tight competition for silver and bronze.

There's a male competitor who does not finish and so comes last.

There are two reasonable explanations, I don't know enough about weightlifting to understand which is the more likely:

1. the male competitor has demonstrated terrible technique according to some observers who understand weightlifting. As in truly atrocious.

2.) Hubbard threw the competition on purpose according to other observers who understand weightlifting.

So, a competitor who failed to qualify for the final, who had terrible technique and who either simply wasn't good enough to compete or threw the competition.

And that male journalist is so fucking bored listening to female winners talk about females, he just has to ask a stupid question about that truly mediocre male competitor.

Because who cares about outstanding female athletes? Not that journalist. Especially since he must have known that the controversy makes an answer that doesn't land a a female athlete in trouble impossible. But he's asking anyway. Coz talking to female athletes about female achievements is too much.

What an arsehole.

But the women - pure class.

I tend to favour the second explanation btw, because Hubbard has not managed more than 270kg in any competition in the women's. The world record of 335kg is held by Li Wenwen, who won the gold in this competition. Li Wenwen has been steadily improving since entering the adult competition in 2019, but even then she started by breaking the world record. Her worst result in major championships was 320kg. Which was this time (but that still set a new world record.

Hubbard has never lifted more than a combined total of 300kg, and that was as a junior. Hubbard's highest level prior to transitioning was Division 2 at college.

(The record in the men's weight category that corresponds to Hubbard's weight is a whopping 485kg.)

Hubbard left the sport in 2001. Took a 16 year break and re-entered in 2017. Thanks to now being middle-aged, the new personal best is 270kg, which is 65kg less than Li Wenwen's world record.

And Li Wenwen is a rock steady performer and has won all major championships she entered since she won a silver in her first major championship.

So Hubbard had no chance. Going into the competition, Emily Campbell (silver) and Sarah Robles (bronze) had higher personal bests than Hubbard achieved in the women's competition.

Next to no chance for a medal.

So here's a competitor, who in 2017 said in an interview

I'm mindful I won't be supported by everyone but I hope that people can keep an open mind and perhaps look at my performance in a broader context.

Doing that now, I conclude that a mediocre male with atrocious technique and no chance to even compete at national level in the men's, who enjoyed success in the women's, was faced with a competition that offered no chance for a medal (going into the Olympics, Hubbard was ranked fourth. And seventh in the world rankings).

By throwing the competition Hubbard could at least make a point: See, no danger from males in women's sports. I didn't even win.

Sorry, Li Wenwen set a new Olympic record, not another world record.

My next response when someone asks me to share my pronouns: 'no thank you'.

This insistence that women should be cheerleaders for trans women and constantly advocate for them like handmaidens is so tiresome. Let Hubbard do what Hubbard does. The Hubbard story got enough attention. Women weightlifters are not there to be cheerleaders or handmaidens for the one trans weightlifter everyone wants to focus on.

It's safety in numbers.

Going after all 3 medal winners would not be a good look.

It was obvious they had discussed and decided what to do.

There's s big focus on demonising individuals.

Demonising a group is way harder. Esp in this situation. Different countries etc.

🏋️‍♀️ 🥤 🎤 #NoThankYou 💜🤍💚

It's safety in numbers.

I do hope so. Fantastic response, it was a joy to watch. I've replayed it several times already.

Thank you Charlie, I was able to watch it this morning. Fantastic. 💜🤍💚

Brilliant. Screw you IWF man!

And that male journalist is so fucking bored listening to female winners talk about females, he just has to ask a stupid question about that truly mediocre male competitor.

Yes that was my thought too, sadly not surprised though.

Thanks for the link op, that's a fantastic response - The silence was impeccably timed and yes to chanelling their attitude when we're asked for our pronouns.

I don't agree with the criticism of the journalist. He asked the question everyone in the room was thinking which, as far as I'm concerned, is a reporter's job.

I do hope that in the cab on the way home they all had a bit of a "bus w*nker?!" moment

Only just seen. Great watch. These women are spectacular

Amazing women.

@CharlieParley
And that male journalist is so fucking bored listening to female winners talk about females, he just has to ask a stupid question about that truly mediocre male competitor.

..... Or..... The reporter in question was looking for a headline, and knows that people on sites like Mumsnet have spent more time discussing one controversial Co.
Participant than they've spent discussing all female Olympians and their 100s of hard earned medals combined.....

I'm sure behind their masks they showed their true response.

@CharlieParley

I tend to favour the second explanation btw, because Hubbard has not managed more than 270kg in any competition in the women's. The world record of 335kg is held by Li Wenwen, who won the gold in this competition. Li Wenwen has been steadily improving since entering the adult competition in 2019, but even then she started by breaking the world record. Her worst result in major championships was 320kg. Which was this time (but that still set a new world record.

Hubbard has never lifted more than a combined total of 300kg, and that was as a junior. Hubbard's highest level prior to transitioning was Division 2 at college.

(The record in the men's weight category that corresponds to Hubbard's weight is a whopping 485kg.)

Hubbard left the sport in 2001. Took a 16 year break and re-entered in 2017. Thanks to now being middle-aged, the new personal best is 270kg, which is 65kg less than Li Wenwen's world record.

And Li Wenwen is a rock steady performer and has won all major championships she entered since she won a silver in her first major championship.

So Hubbard had no chance. Going into the competition, Emily Campbell (silver) and Sarah Robles (bronze) had higher personal bests than Hubbard achieved in the women's competition.

Next to no chance for a medal.

So here's a competitor, who in 2017 said in an interview

I'm mindful I won't be supported by everyone but I hope that people can keep an open mind and perhaps look at my performance in a broader context.

Doing that now, I conclude that a mediocre male with atrocious technique and no chance to even compete at national level in the men's, who enjoyed success in the women's, was faced with a competition that offered no chance for a medal (going into the Olympics, Hubbard was ranked fourth. And seventh in the world rankings).

By throwing the competition Hubbard could at least make a point: See, no danger from males in women's sports. I didn't even win.

Given what you've said here (thanks, I'm not sporty so would never have known all of this), amongst other things I hate it that Hubbard retires now will life long fame and as an icon.

Speak for yourself, cam, I’ve watched and talked about thousands of hours of Olympic sports and Olympians since I first watched the LA games in ‘84.

We may have talked about Hubbard a lot in the run up, but I don’t think it was an appropriate question in that moment, because the controversy was over - Hubbard had lost, had not registered a lift, and was by that point utterly irrelevant. The athletes on the podium hadn’t even had to beat Hubbard- Hubbard had choked or thrown the competition, and the press conference was about their victory, not Hubbards loss. It’s very galling that they were not permitted to celebrate and reflect on their achievements without this being dragged in again.

I think the response was a sublime mix of politeness, avoidance and rebellion, and I bloody love it ❤️

“No, thank you” 🤣

Warms my heart.

Glorious