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DM article - interview with female attacked in prison.

173 replies

DevonTF · 23/07/2021 22:58

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9819631/I-sexually-assaulted-womens-prison-fellow-inmate-male-genitalia.html.

Article in the DM - interview with a female prisoner assaulted in prison by a female identifying male. Awful to read, but it is showing the reality of this.

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RedDogsBeg · 24/07/2021 11:01

@Theeyeballsinthesky

Quite Bernard. I suspect this thread will be avoided by our usual visitors who are usually so keen to tell us it costs us nothing to accommodate TW/rights are not a pie/be kind

Funny that

It is very notable which threads the TWAW chanters and allies avoid liek the plague.
MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/07/2021 11:06

Indeed Bernard. It's concerning that there's a sinister group of nameless groups / individuals who get to cosy up with the (until recently) Stonewall captured Ministry of Justice and decide which of the numerous sex offenders and other prisoners get access to vulnerable women in prison.
I'd be very interested to see the qualifications / selection criteria for the process and selection of those involved? Are there even basic DBS or other safeguarding checks carried out?

MondayYogurt · 24/07/2021 11:07

Amy has also brought a separate civil action for damages against Sodexo, the company which runs HMP Bronzefield, and the MOJ.

MORE of this. Money is the only thing these people care about - certainly not women's rights - and the sooner lawyers realise there is money to be made from these actions the sooner the rules will change.

RedDogsBeg · 24/07/2021 11:11

@MondayYogurt

Amy has also brought a separate civil action for damages against Sodexo, the company which runs HMP Bronzefield, and the MOJ.

MORE of this. Money is the only thing these people care about - certainly not women's rights - and the sooner lawyers realise there is money to be made from these actions the sooner the rules will change.

You're right, it all boils down to money. Revolting.
DevonTF · 24/07/2021 11:14

Cllr Emma Edwards - Green Councillor in Bristol has responded to the article on twitter. Ignores the reality in the article - and calls CG women out 'lying with dogs. How are these people blind to the reality of all of this ?

DM article - interview with female attacked in prison.
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MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/07/2021 11:17

A Green councillor completely disinterested in the safety of vulnerable women in prison? Quelle surprise. Grin

DancesWithTortoises · 24/07/2021 11:19

Why is this tucked away in the naughty corner? It's of interest to all women who care about women's safety.

MN need to stop pandering to the TRAs.

MondayYogurt · 24/07/2021 11:20

@RedDogsBeg We need detransitioners to sue. We need women prisoners to sue. We need sportswomen and girls to sue.

They need to be more afraid of financial penalty (and this includes higher insurance costs) then they are of being branded transphobic.

You can already see as orgs stop their Stonewall payments how financial excuses are considering legitimate reasons. Money is the only language everyone understands. Pronouns should be sue/them.

DdraigGoch · 24/07/2021 11:22

@FightingtheFoo

What was most disturbing to me about the judge's comments was his dismissive attitude to the statistics - it doesnt matter if there has been only 1 assault (let alone 34). There should be none because women should not have to fear being sexually assaulted by males in a fucking female prison.

It reminds me of an argument I had on social media with a male handmaiden who - when I asked my usual "how do we know if the man in the dress in a woman's changing room is a "cis" predator or "genuine" trans woman?" basically responded along the lines of "well you'll know if you get assaulted".

NO you utter fucking cockwomble. Me getting assaulted is not an acceptable barometer by which to judge people. That is the very fucking heart of safeguarding.

What an idiot.

"How do I know if my car has faulty brakes?"
"Well you'll know if you have an accident"

WomaninBoots · 24/07/2021 11:23

Oh fuck off to the far side of fuck, Emma Edwards...

ENGAGE WITH THE ISSUE.

FloralBunting · 24/07/2021 11:23

I'd rather lie down with flea ridden dogs who understand that women shouldn't be raped in prison and get a few flea bites that sit in a green ivory tower on the side of the rapists, preening my privilege.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 24/07/2021 11:23

Am shocked to see cllr Edwards is an LGBTQI trainer 🙄

Tibtom · 24/07/2021 11:24

What I don't get about the judgement is it seemed to focus on whether the MOJ was legally required to use the single sex exemption. The judge said yes to that but then effectively said women were being discriminated against and should bring cases for that. But surely the point of the Equality Act is that women must not suffer detriment? It is like he didn't consider the restof the Act?

EdgeOfACoin · 24/07/2021 11:25

@DevonTF

Cllr Emma Edwards - Green Councillor in Bristol has responded to the article on twitter. Ignores the reality in the article - and calls CG women out 'lying with dogs. How are these people blind to the reality of all of this ?
Because that's all they have.

They are not able to engage with the substance of the article because that would lead to some uncomfortable soul searching.

Of course, in this particular situation they're on the side of actual rapists and are supporting the continued access of rapists to victims. I'd rather be on the same side as the DM and the Telegraph, frankly, when it comes to this matter, but I suppose some people see things differently.

RedDogsBeg · 24/07/2021 11:25

You are absolutely right MondayYogurt and the next time any politician or commentator does the weeping, hand-wringing and feigns horror about the appalling VAWG and how something must be done I will remind them forcefully that they are liars as they with their power are sanctioning rape and sexual assault on women and not just in prisons but in everyday life.

Tibtom · 24/07/2021 11:26

*the judge said 'no' to being required to use single sex exemptions

EdgeOfACoin · 24/07/2021 11:26

@RedDogsBeg We need detransitioners to sue. We need women prisoners to sue. We need sportswomen and girls to sue.

All of this.

DialSquare · 24/07/2021 11:30

Emma Edwards may have just become my next nomination for Helen Joyce's book.

RedDogsBeg · 24/07/2021 11:31

@DancesWithTortoises

Why is this tucked away in the naughty corner? It's of interest to all women who care about women's safety.

MN need to stop pandering to the TRAs.

Anyone with a shred of decency, humanity and intelligence needs to stop pandering to TRAs and their allies. Their craven submissiveness whilst they offer up women and girls on the altar to this ideology is sickening.
OldCrone · 24/07/2021 11:40

I really think the Judge would have ruled in Amy's favour but, as he pointed out, JR was not where this case (and Ann Sinnotts) should be. The limitations of Judicial Review. I believe the government are already looking at this and perhaps the extra sunlight from Amy's civil case will help.

The problem with this case and Ann Sinnott's is that the EA2010 was written with the assumption that some service providers would want to keep their services as single sex, or with separate provision for the sexes. The single sex exceptions in the EA 2010 allow them to do this.

The people who drafted the EA2010 didn't forsee that only a few years later, the service providers themselves would want to make those single sex services mixed sex, and the law gave no protection for those service users who required a single sex space if the service providers chose not to invoke the single sex exception. So the law protects service providers who want to provide a single sex service, but doesn't protect service users who require a single sex service if all the service providers have decided to make everything mixed sex.

But by not keeping prisons as single sex, the prison service is failing in its duty to keep female prisoners safe, so pursuing the MoJ and Sodexo through the courts for this failure might be the only way to make changes.

ArabellaScott · 24/07/2021 11:46

@FloralBunting

I'd rather lie down with flea ridden dogs who understand that women shouldn't be raped in prison and get a few flea bites that sit in a green ivory tower on the side of the rapists, preening my privilege.
Hear fucking hear.

Rather be rude than a fucking liar.

alkanet · 24/07/2021 11:46

Does anyone know if there is a garden to help Amy achieve her goal of going through law school? She is an amazing woman.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 24/07/2021 11:47

@Theeyeballsinthesky

Am shocked to see cllr Edwards is an LGBTQI trainer 🙄
oh right. so her livelihood depends on perpetuating this nonsense? super
ArabellaScott · 24/07/2021 11:47

They are not able to engage with the substance of the article because that would lead to some uncomfortable soul searching.

Yes, I mean, that is what I meant to say instead of swearing. Sorry. Grin

Tibtom · 24/07/2021 11:48

But the EA also requires organisations not to discriminate against women.