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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Phillip Pullman

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Dollpiglet · 21/07/2021 07:19

I'm not a huge user of Twitter but I do follow Phillip Pullman who seems to have stepped out on this issue now. I'm gutted!

twitter.com/PhilipPullman/status/1417467807873241088?s=19

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StandUpStraight · 21/07/2021 11:46

I agree fine. That tweet throwing Rachel Rooney to the wolves looked pretty bloody deliberate to me.

TheSlayer · 21/07/2021 11:47

He's dropping off the radar. Lots of schools are ditching his texts in the drive to have more modern writers at the forefront.
Without primaries pushing his texts, he'll have to rely on the publicity generated by the series and any 'tweets' he chooses to do.
Myself I will be buying Ds his books via charity shops. On the other hand buying the full illustrated Harry Potter series when Ds old enough.
I always found the characterisation of Mrs Coulter inconsistent myself.

nauticant · 21/07/2021 12:16

he was adamant that it was a personal insult to expect him to undergo checks

All that I've seen tells me his very large ego drives many of his interactions about this issue. For those thinking that Pullman might become aware of what's going on and realise that supporting bullying and opposing safeguarding is the wrong way to go, I think his ego will stop him admitting to being wrong.

JustSpeculation · 21/07/2021 12:17

@Tanith

After Ian Huntley murdered two little girls while being employed as a school caretaker, there were attempts to increase the safety of children by ensuring everyone having access to them in schools and clubs was properly checked. A database was proposed, to replace the creaky CRB/DBA checks. It would have enabled us to quickly check anyone applying for a job working with children and anyone coming into schools to work with them for any reason would need to be checked.

Philip Pullman was so vocally outraged that, at one point, I really began to wonder why he was so upset about it.
We had exactly the same failure to grasp the facts: he was adamant that it was a personal insult to expect him to undergo checks.
He effectively scuppered the whole initiative by making it about him and his ego, forgetting all about the children it was designed to protect.

I’m not surprised to see further evidence of this attitude from him.

I'm going to plug "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance" again. Pirsig's idea was that romantics tend not to disassociate themselves from the immediacy of an issue and see it in abstract terms of principle and systems.....so there is a tendency to "me,me,me".

I read the book when it first came out and it blew my mind. It has always stayed with me. Of course, I was 16, which is an age when your mind is very open to being blown. I'm going to read it again now, in my dotage, and see what I think....

VeryLongBeeeeep · 21/07/2021 12:28

Show us on the book sale charts where JK hurt you, Philip.

ScreamingMeMe · 21/07/2021 13:08

Not a week goes by without me seeing or hearing at least one reference to Harry Potter. It remains a huge phenomenon. How many authors could claim the same legacy?

RoyalCorgi · 21/07/2021 13:12

Show us on the book sale charts where JK hurt you, Philip.

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Dollpiglet · 21/07/2021 14:13

I hadn't realised he was this pompous but I should have realised because I have the audiobooks which he clearly decided he'd be best at narrating despite sounding like a hoarse old grandad. Worst audiobook I own. Thankfully he let Martin sheen do the later ones which are so much nicer to listen to.

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cocoapopfan · 21/07/2021 14:59

Can anyone not blocked tell me what Clara said in the tweet
that Philip pulled is replying to? Opening in incognito just
keeps taking me to the main profile not the actual tweet.

@Manderleyagain

Useful thread:
twitter.com/yatakalam/status/1335917371043827712

TofuDelights · 21/07/2021 15:07

He's such a disappointment, isn't he?

On the related topic though, but not wanting to derail, Robert M Pirsig also wrote 'Lila: An Inquiry into Morals' which I'm going to have to dig out and read again. I think I got my head round it after reading it for the second time, but that was 25 years ago so might be worth revisiting!

Beowulfa · 21/07/2021 15:08

I preferred the olden days where you might have a couple of lines about the author on the last page ("X studied English at Cambridge and lives in Surrey with two cats") but that was it. No photo, no website, no interviews for a book club, no gobbing-off platforms. Just the text and your interpretation of it.

Abhannmor · 21/07/2021 15:23

Yes , leave us our cherished illusions! If he'd kept a lower profile I'd have formed a nicer impression of him

OldCrone · 21/07/2021 15:28

Clara Vulliamy has a trans child. Pullman appears to be a friend of hers who just agrees with anything she says on this matter without giving it any thought.

The effects of the recruitment of 'trans children' by TRAs was discussed on a previous thread about Rachel Rooney, Clara Vulliamy and Philip Pullman:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4099490-Rachel-Rooney-criticised-by-Philip-Pulman?pg=1

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 21/07/2021 15:32

Massively off-topic but that link says there is no spousal exit clause in Scotland - is that correct?

Slythermum · 21/07/2021 15:32

Some authors are as brave as the characters they write about.
Others are as cowardly as the ones they write about.

Does he believe that male-sexed people have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with Lyra or girls the same age as her?

TedImgoingmad · 21/07/2021 16:25

I think it's professional jealousy coupled with lack of principle.

His Dark Materials books are beloved, as is he as an author, but on a vastly smaller scale to that which JKR's Harry Potter world has been. HP /JKR are revered and celebrated, to the extent that some people can't see the line between their own reality and the fantasy. I've never seen anything like that behaviour about HDM.

I wonder if resentment hasn't brewed and boiled over over the years - after all, they both emerged at a similar time in the 90s, and arguably, HDM is a much more accomplished body of work. JKR is credited as the woman who got the young reading again. PP's ego probably found that a bit galling.

Now, the same people who fantasise about being in the HP world are hurting (self inflicted, because they have believed lies about JKR, but hurting none the less) and PP is cynically rubbing salt into the wounds by continuing to insert himself into a matter he claims he doesn't understand. Perhaps he is desperately hoping JKR will suffer a massive downfall, and that the annals of literary history will hold his own books up as the definitive reading of the 1990s, with a revisionist history as to whom the resurgence of the love of reading fantasy genre novels should be attributed. Perhaps he is hoping to convert her readership and boost his own sales. Who knows? He certainly seems to have taken on the role of agent provocateur in this, as opposed to Stephen King's who just flip flopped around and ultimately didn't want to be the "bad guy".

"The Golden Compass" film flopped because it was not true to the book (and the sequels were canned). It contained none of the critique of religion that was so central to His Dark Materials. Pullman's quotations from the time of production seem to indicate he agreed with and justified all the liberties taken with the original story, including making Mrs Coulter blonde (he said at the time that it made perfect sense and Mrs C should have been blonde in the books too - yet she was back to being dark haired in the TV adaption without comment from Pullman). What principled author, allows their work of genius to be butchered so? JKR, by contrast, seems to have kept the world she created on a fairly tight leash, working on the script adaptions to keep them true to the original stories, and being determined not to lose her characters to the Hollywood machine. And she still has Hollywood at her feet begging for more. Savvy as well as principled, talented, gracious, generous, kind and funny.

JKR must boil PP's piss on a daily basis.

TrainedByCats · 21/07/2021 17:30

[quote nauticant]Here's his standard operating procedure: he tweets something that stirs up anger against a woman, he gets pushback, and then scuttles away saying he's just an old bloke for whom it's too complicated or assumes victim status for himself. An unpleasant way to engage with this issue.

twitter.com/PhilipPullman/status/1270105447924727808[/quote]
He is a massive disappointment, tbh I think he makes the situation worse. I’ve seen PP operate like this regularly, I think I have him muted now he's so annoying

KimikosNightmare · 21/07/2021 20:56

Philip Pullman

@PhilipPullman

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Jul 12

Saying this as clearly as I can: Boris Johnson is removing the Covid restrictions because he WANTS the NHS to collapse, so that he has a political excuse for privatising it. Nothing else, not even stupidity, can explain what's going on

Just spotted this nonsense as well.

merrymouse · 21/07/2021 21:03

Just spotted this nonsense as well.

Whether or not it’s nonsense (seems very unlikely that Johnson would have a plan for anything), he’s quite happy to express a forthright and controversial opinion if there is no social cost within his circle.

KimikosNightmare · 21/07/2021 21:10

Philip Pullman

@PhilipPullman

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Apr 21

Tried to watch 'Promising Young Woman' but found it impossible. The music was so loud I couldn't hear any dialogue, and when I did I couldn't understand it. Silence and subtitles, please, and I'll be glad to watch it

And this pearl of wisdom too.

I was so bored with The Secret Commonwealth I really don't care what happens next.

KimikosNightmare · 21/07/2021 21:12

Whether or not it’s nonsense (seems very unlikely that Johnson would have a plan for anything), he’s quite happy to express a forthright and controversial opinion if there is no social cost within his circle

Indeed- there was a particularly nonsensical one about Flower of Scotland and "English cheating"

sashagabadon · 21/07/2021 21:17

He seems to have Boris derangement syndrome like quite a few others.

OldCrone · 21/07/2021 21:49

I wonder if resentment hasn't brewed and boiled over over the years - after all, they both emerged at a similar time in the 90s, and arguably, HDM is a much more accomplished body of work. JKR is credited as the woman who got the young reading again. PP's ego probably found that a bit galling.

I don't think this is anything to do with JKR.

Philip Pullman is a great admirer of Clara Vulliamy's mother, Shirley Hughes, who he refers to as a 'national treasure'. Clara Vullliamy has a transgender child. Criticising anything to do with transgenderism could be construed as personal criticism of Clara Vulliamy's child or of her parenting. If he is a personal friend of Shirley Hughes (rather than just an admirer) and/or Clara Vulliamy he is in a difficult position.

As I said in the other thread I linked to earlier, this is why transgender children are so important to TRAs. It's hard to criticise an ideology which has captured young, vulnerable people when that criticism will be seen as criticism of the young people themselves. It's often impossible to discuss this rationally with their parents and other close relatives.

AnotherLass · 22/07/2021 03:42

I think he's an insufferable pompous ass, and he's deliberately trying to wind up feminists. But I also think that when people behave really badly on this issue, it is often that there is a personal connection. The Clara Vullliamy trans kid link makes sense, or maybe there's someone in his own family. The pressure of having a fanatic in the family who will not suffer dissent really breaks people. And then the anger and guilt come out in sorts of unsavoury ways.

NiceGerbil · 22/07/2021 03:47

Lol

Single vision terrible

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