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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Phillip Pullman

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Dollpiglet · 21/07/2021 07:19

I'm not a huge user of Twitter but I do follow Phillip Pullman who seems to have stepped out on this issue now. I'm gutted!

twitter.com/PhilipPullman/status/1417467807873241088?s=19

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TheLassWiADelicateAir · 03/07/2022 21:14

I deleted my twitter account and Twitter is difficult to follow without one. I've used Dolphin mobile browser and it was the most useful to get the complete history of it all without being kicked off to log in.

It kicked off from a tweet by Amanda Craig. Sorry, I can't seem to link to the full story but it's worth persevering with. He's talking even more nonsense than what is quoted on here.

teawamutu · 03/07/2022 21:25

Philip Pullman, for example, is a twat.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 03/07/2022 22:00

Lass is right! Seems I've missed some!

Okay. Right.

So this comment chain goes

  1. Amanda Craig tweeted Jo Bartosch's article.

  2. Philip Pullman makes the infamous comment: you believe spiked-online?

  3. Then another twitter user named Rascal says: Philip, our family have long loved your work but you're losing credibility with every tweet. You've clearly taken a position with scant research. I suggest you do some, and stop heckling everything that's pro-female and anti-male rights movement

  4. Philip Pullman replies: I expressed some justified scepticism about Spiked-Online. A gang of extreme left-wing zealots get sued for libel, flick a switch, and immediately re-emerge as a gang of extreme right-wing zealots - why should anyone trust anything they publish?

Phillip Pullman
PearlClutch · 03/07/2022 23:36

A gang of extreme left-wing zealots get sued for libel, flick a switch, and immediately re-emerge as a gang of extreme right-wing zealots

Hmm
PearlClutch · 03/07/2022 23:36

'justified scepticism' - I get the impression PP has no idea what 'justified' means.

achillestoes · 04/07/2022 06:10

He really thinks we choose whether or not to believe people based on who they are rather than whether the information feels credible? I feel sadness at the idea of someone like Pullman succumbing to such an obvious fallacy.

RoyalCorgi · 04/07/2022 08:22

Here's what he wrote:

"I wish my critics could actually bother to read what I say. I didn't mention Bartosch's work. I said not a word about it. I'm not interested in it. I'm just curious about why anyone should believe Spiked-Online."

But Philip, we did read what you said. And it made no sense. Amanda Craig tweeted Jo Bartosch's article; she didn't say "Read Spiked". If you say that no one should believe anything in Spiked, you are, very obviously, saying you shouldn't believe Jo Bartosch. Why pretend that the meaning is anything other than that?

That's quite aside from the fact that Jo's piece is an opinion piece, not a news report, so it's not a question of "believing" it, it's a question of understanding the arguments.

Of course he is free not to like Spiked. But he seems not to understand (or pretends not to understand) that freelancers can and do write for many publications they are not particularly in sympathy with.

He seems to want to have his cake and eat it: to attack Jo because she writes for Spiked, while pretending that he has absolutely no opinion about Jo one way or the other. Why bother, frankly?

PearlClutch · 04/07/2022 19:30

Eliza Mondegreen on PP:

elizamondegreen.substack.com/p/uh-maybe-philip-pullman-should-talk

HelenaRavenclaw · 08/07/2022 17:12

And the dickhead is at it again...this time using the lame "Not all trans people are like that" argument:

twitter.com/PhilipPullman/status/1545326646319894529

I like the reply asking if all white police kill innocent black men, and yet one such killing is enough to spark a movement.

achillestoes · 08/07/2022 17:18

But it doesn’t say “Dear trans people”, it says, “Dear Trans rights movement”.

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