Is this a man or a woman?

[GreatBigBird]

YABU: woman

YANBU: man

www.cp24.com/news/woman-charged-after-allegedly-sexually-assaulting-boy-6-in-toronto-park-1.5507641

I can’t even begin to express myself.

I had never before this experienced the phenomenon of societal cognitive dissonance on a mass scale.

That people can think it is forward thinking, progressive, desirable, justifiable, morally right to lock up dangerous, violent, sexually predatory males - men - with some of society’s most vulnerable women, and sometimes their children too.

For the avoidance of doubt, I am of course not saying that all biologically male trans prisoners, or trans people in general, are violent or predatory. Though I think women’s comfort and dignity matters as well as their safety, and for that reason no biologically male prisoners should be housed in the female estate, no matter how harmless.

But the sheer immorality of placing males who are KNOWN to be violent and predatory, who have committed heinous crimes against women and children, in the female estate if they say they are women is just so monstrous and against everything a just and progressive society should stand for it actually makes my head explode.

I mean even if a society just wants to be half way decent and sane you would think this should be obvious. And yet these batshit places like Canada and parts of the USA want you to think they are beacons of social justice and a model for the rest of the world to aspire to, while perpetrating this vicious, hideously misogynistic attack on women’s rights, women’s dignity, women’s integrity and safety; while shitting on vulnerable women from the greatest height they can manage.

(Remember it was in Canada that a human rights org supported predator J Yaniv in Yaniv’s persecution of low income immigrant women who didn’t want to be forced to touch Yaniv’s male genitalia.

There are plenty of salons in the area where Yaniv lives that offer waxing of the genital area to biologically male people, but Yaniv didn’t want to use them and instead went out of Yaniv’s way to try to make lone women working out of their own homes perform this service for Yaniv.

And when they refused, Yaniv brought a law suit against 18 of them, all the ones Yaniv had sought out to persecute. And a human rights organisation supported him.)

Canada has this image of being a great place to live, really hot on human rights, women’s rights, fairness and equality etc etc.

It’s bullshit. It’s turning into a dystopian hell hole, and is a model only of what to avoid these days.

@Nonmaquillee

Not only a poor attempt to gaslight the Canadian public, but also - crucially - to do the same with the poor little boy. Imagine: the boy tells police he was assaulted by a man. The perpetrator is found and identified. Police etc insist it was a female perpetrator. The poor little victim KNOWS it was a male. Everyone around him including the media collude in this. The little boy is NOT ONLY ASSAULTED but also LIED TO. I’m beyond appalled.

Yes, absolutely. This is compounding that child’s abuse. Reabusing him.

Unforgiveable.

As a disclaimer to my rant re Canada, I am well aware we have many of the same problems here. The UK media frequently report crimes as having been carried out by “women” who are clearly male. Including sexual offences.

They are apparently obliged to do so by some press guidelines which were lobbied for by trans rights activists. Along with the police and courts recording their crimes as being committed by “women”, and obliging witnesses and even the victims of their crimes to refer to them using female pronouns.

And we have seen male sexual offenders housed in women’s prisons too here. Not just the infamous “Karen White”, but also males who hold a GRC making them legally female are automatically held in the female estate. Even if they have been convicted of serious sexual offences.

It’s bad here. It’s worse there, with the self ID free for all.

These are dreadful, dangerous, irrational laws that should never have been passed.

Democracy is up the shitter.

Honestly can't answer YABU/YANBU because the question is insufficient.

Certainly facially looks like a man, quite possibly is a natal man, but is possibly legally a woman under Canadian law, so if that is the case then a Canadian article is technically correct in reporting the offender as a woman.

Are you simply asking what people suspect is the birth sex of the person in the article?

If that's the case then I don't think there's any doubt. Would be a pretty unfortunate natal woman who looked that masculine.

Are you simply asking what people suspect is the birth sex of the person in the article?

Birth sex? It’s just sex. It’s doesn’t change after birth.

Birth sex? It’s just sex. It’s doesn’t change after birth

Well it can, legally, in Canada, hence why I can't honestly answer YABU/YANBU without the OP expanding the question.

Well it can, legally, in Canada, hence why I can't honestly answer YABU/YANBU without the OP expanding the question.

We’re not in Canada. We’re not in court. You’re being asked the sex of the person.

@XDownwiththissortofthingX

Honestly can't answer YABU/YANBU because the question is insufficient.

Certainly facially looks like a man, quite possibly is a natal man, but is possibly legally a woman under Canadian law, so if that is the case then a Canadian article is technically correct in reporting the offender as a woman.

Are you simply asking what people suspect is the birth sex of the person in the article?

If that's the case then I don't think there's any doubt. Would be a pretty unfortunate natal woman who looked that masculine.

I don’t even know where to begin with that post.

Yes, I think we’re probably aware that - under Canadian law - they are “correct” in their reporting. And that is basically the whole problem.

So I don’t think the AIBU question is difficult to answer at all.

@chickenyhead

There are currently, according to HMPO approximately 1,300 male sexed transwomen in male prisons. I'm sure they'd like to move to one of the 3,400 female spaces.

Maybe if we release the 1,100 women currently behind bars for council tax evasion, we could have 1 male sexed to 2 female sexed inmates in female prisons.

Google Karen White for the risks posed to women.

Do we have figures for how many of those 1300 male bodied prisoners in women's prisons are there for or have a history of sexual offences?

Does it really matter - a child was assaulted and that isn't ok irrespective of the perpetrator

This is a male. No question about it. Fucksake, when will this madness stop??

@GreatBigBird

Disgraceful act but also is your drama around some one clearly trying to take advantage of a system.

Sick people everywhere does not mean trans people are bad.

@RainbowMum11

Does it really matter - a child was assaulted and that isn't ok irrespective of the perpetrator

It definitely isn’t ok that a child was assaulted.

It definitely DOES matter who the perpetrator was.

Let’s forget about crime figures being skewed, people with a penis being in female prisons etc.

Focus on the fact that that young child is going to be doubly traumatised. Firstly by the assault And then by the fact that they’re going to be told - over and over again - that it was a woman who did that to them. I can’t even begin to comprehend the ways in which that could/will screw up any and every interaction they have with anyone in their life going forward (whether sexual or not).

@RainbowMum11

Does it really matter - a child was assaulted and that isn't ok irrespective of the perpetrator

you seriously don't think it matters that the child will be told he was assaulted by a woman when he was clearly assaulted by a man?

Or that the crime will be recorded as having being committed by a woman instead of a man?

Seriously? "that isn't ok" is all you can say about this?

[quote Justa47]@GreatBigBird

Disgraceful act but also is your drama around some one clearly trying to take advantage of a system.

Sick people everywhere does not mean trans people are bad.[/quote]
FFS - this is the basis of most of the discussion.

Nobody is trying to push a narrative that trans people are bad. But they are trying to highlight a few things - for me, the main ones are:

1). Self-Id means that any male can abuse the trans umbrella to gain access to areas they would not normally be allowed
2). Self-id means that any males don’t even need to access what are/were female only spaces. As long as they identify as female, they can do what they like.
3). If they are caught for “doing what they like” then there is every possibility that they will be convicted and sent to a women-only prison

Honestly, can you not even vaguely see this worry? This is not about targeting the trans community. This is about men who will use the rights that the trans community have, rightly, got to exploit to their own advantage.

That's a man.

Astounding. Man. You do not get to hide behind any pretence for this kind of thing.

If he is offended by being called a man he should keep his grubby hands to himself and not assault poor children. Woman indeed! Disgusting.

Of course it's a man.
And no amount of namecalling by the "allies" will change that.
It really doesn't help when the judiciary allow offenders and abusers a "free pass" because they claim to be trans - why on earth they think that setting THAT kind of precedent is a good idea beggars belief!

Male crime, performed by a male. Record it as such, bang him up as such.

... this needs to STOP.
This is not a transgendered person. This is a person who decided to have a male haircut within days of this picture being taken.
This is a male. It's a male.
Why is this allowed to happen?
I believe in rights for everyone, but for fucksake, whilst you have a penis attached to your body, you are a male. Can we not just stick to that very simple term? We can't continue to allow people who have penises to self identify as women, to occupy female spaces, or to sexually assault anyone, then be called a woman.

Please, can the world start to make sense again?

That's a man.

And this is exactly why it is a problem to force people to pretend that a man who says he's a woman is a woman, and let him have access to all the female-only places on his say-so.

I mean, everyone know that men would do this, didn't they.

@Sunshinealligator

... this needs to STOP. This is not a transgendered person. This is a person who decided to have a male haircut within days of this picture being taken. This is a male. It's a male. Why is this allowed to happen? I believe in rights for everyone, but for fucksake, whilst you have a penis attached to your body, you are a male. Can we not just stick to that very simple term? We can't continue to allow people who have penises to self identify as women, to occupy female spaces, or to sexually assault anyone, then be called a woman.

Please, can the world start to make sense again?

Even if a man loses his penis, he's still a man. Some of the most predatory males (who apparently "identify as women") have apparently had their penis removed but that doesn't make them women. It is my legally protected belief that a man who removed his penis is still a man. However, the reality is that over 99% of "transwomen" keep their penis so the genital point is moot, really.

@DumplingsAndStew - yes. Over 50% of male prisoners who claim to be TW are listed as having at least one sexual offence against their name.
This is against the general percentage of 17% of male prisoners being convicted of sexual offences.

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/