Is this a man or a woman?

[GreatBigBird]

YABU: woman

YANBU: man

www.cp24.com/news/woman-charged-after-allegedly-sexually-assaulting-boy-6-in-toronto-park-1.5507641

I can’t even begin to express myself.

That there is a man.

By moving this thread, MNHQ are implying it's some sort of esoteric discussion about the finer points of feminism, maybe with some long words from sociology and suchlike.

This is a parenting site, and this topic is about child safeguarding. Specifically, about how an elected government has deliberately failed a six year old.

Ask yourself who benefits when discussions about child safety are quietly moved by anonymous demand. Ask what your child's school is teaching. Ask about safeguarding policy at every opportunity. Ask awkward questions. Be difficult. The vulnerable are failed when we do not question everything.

Yes Beowulfa I have just asked a question in AIBU to see what women think.

Very well put, beowulfa

My question disappeared after about two minutes.

There were a number of twitter posts in recent days, all basically calling people out for being deranged and phobic over dildo monkey. And often screenshotting MN posts to highlight their points.

Will be interesting to see whether any of them give their feedback on this subject.

This needs to be in AIBU in order to reach the maximum number of people.

Of course he's a man. Complete with penis. To pretend otherwise is Emperor's New Clothes. That poor, poor child.

@Thevenerableswede

My question disappeared after about two minutes.

Were you given a reason? Was it deleted or moved?

Are the news papers in Canada trying to show how shit this situation is by using a photograph of someone who is clearly male? I really hope they are.

@Beowulfa

By moving this thread, MNHQ are implying it's some sort of esoteric discussion about the finer points of feminism, maybe with some long words from sociology and suchlike.

This is a parenting site, and this topic is about child safeguarding. Specifically, about how an elected government has deliberately failed a six year old.

Ask yourself who benefits when discussions about child safety are quietly moved by anonymous demand. Ask what your child's school is teaching. Ask about safeguarding policy at every opportunity. Ask awkward questions. Be difficult. The vulnerable are failed when we do not question everything.

Well said

@leeshuhui

Woman by sex

What?

@Looneytune253

What if the reporter is very GC and it's a woman living as a man? Lol. You would have what you want and you wouldn't even know it. Devils advocate

A six year old child was abused - and you think “lol” is appropriate?

@FreeBritnee

Lack of Adams apple.makes it ambiguous. My gut instinct is man but it could be a trans man who has taken hormones 😬

Seriously? Do you think that hormones will make a woman look like a man?

@Furries

There were a number of twitter posts in recent days, all basically calling people out for being deranged and phobic over dildo monkey. And often screenshotting MN posts to highlight their points.

Will be interesting to see whether any of them give their feedback on this subject.

Can you link to that? I honestly cannot believe anyone could defend that at all. It was obviously a massive fuck up when they booked the event.

Seriously? Do you think that hormones will make a woman look like a man?

I’ll admit I was really confused recently by someone who has detransistioned. I honestly wasn’t sure. But you’re right. The person I’m thinking of did still have feminine features alongside a low voice and stubble. That face has nothing feminine about it.

@AlfonsoTheMango

It's sensible to play devils advocate to cover all bases.

If this Ruby character is a transman like Buck Angel then the reporter should have written "female who identifies as a transman".

It's statistically very very unlikely to be a transman however, and accurate reporting in these cases would clear up any ambiguity. Women are on edge reading these reports because the current consensus in the media seems to be to report these crimes by using the perpetrators' preferred pronouns.

This is so wrong. It skews public perception, confuses people, and affords misplaced respect upon the worst of offenders.

"Male who identifies as a transwoman"
Or
"Female who identifies as a transman"

Along with the correct pronouns, not preferred pronouns (unless they held a GRC which is a whole other mess)

This is what is needed. When this started happening in the media I don't know, but it seems to be the current unwritten rule that has taken over!

What sort of person, rather than be horrified and want to raise awareness of these issues, would report this post to be hidden away?

It's because stories like this are inconvenient to the people who love to tell us ''anyone is whoever they say they are and if you don't accept that you're a bigot''.

They also love to tell us that no man will go to the effort of saying they're a woman, have hormones, change their lives, etc. Our point is they don't have to change a fucking thing, as this proves.

This is the reality of ''anyone is whoever they say they are''. Instead of admitting that there may actually be a problem here, it's fingers in ears screaming 'blah blah blah'.

Out of sight, out of mind, I guess.

Furries no idea as I can’t seem to get access to my email account t the moment... the poll was at 100% with an admittedly small sample..that such threads should remain in AIBU

The reporting is governed by the courts. I don’t think the reporters have any say in what they say when it comes to pronouns unless they leave them out entirely.

@yourhairiswinterfire

What sort of person, rather than be horrified and want to raise awareness of these issues, would report this post to be hidden away?

It's because stories like this are inconvenient to the people who love to tell us ''anyone is whoever they say they are and if you don't accept that you're a bigot''.

They also love to tell us that no man will go to the effort of saying they're a woman, have hormones, change their lives, etc. Our point is they don't have to change a fucking thing, as this proves.

This is the reality of ''anyone is whoever they say they are''. Instead of admitting that there may actually be a problem here, it's fingers in ears screaming 'blah blah blah'.

Out of sight, out of mind, I guess.

Yep. Taking cognitive dissonance to another level.

@FreeBritnee - there were quite a few, can’t remember them all.

Am not 100% sure of the rules on here? Am I allowed to name one person directly?

@Thevenerableswede

Furries no idea as I can’t seem to get access to my email account t the moment... the poll was at 100% with an admittedly small sample..that such threads should remain in AIBU

I’m tempted to start another one!

How long until a (male) convicted as a female changes how they identify and uses that fact that witnesses etc say "woman" to launch an appeal? People are being forced to commit perjury with must make the resulting convictions unsound.

@Thevenerableswede

Furries no idea as I can’t seem to get access to my email account t the moment... the poll was at 100% with an admittedly small sample..that such threads should remain in AIBU

I think it’s still there www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4296377-AIBU-to-think-that-discussion-of-criminal-acts-towards-children-and-who-the-perpetrators-are-are-of-importance-to-MN-users-and-threads-should-remain-in-AIBU-with-polls-attached

@Nonmaquillee

Not only a poor attempt to gaslight the Canadian public, but also - crucially - to do the same with the poor little boy. Imagine: the boy tells police he was assaulted by a man. The perpetrator is found and identified. Police etc insist it was a female perpetrator. The poor little victim KNOWS it was a male. Everyone around him including the media collude in this. The little boy is NOT ONLY ASSAULTED but also LIED TO. I’m beyond appalled.

omg this 1000 times!!!

that poor poor child-how unfair and outrageous

surely common sense must prevail soon!!!!