How is it "gender critical" to impose rigid binary social categories based on sex?

[CuriousPanda]

For most of history, the whole point of feminism was to oppse sex-based segregation and restrictions that were imposed by patriarchal society.

So I don't see how supporting strict gender categories, and simply calling them "sex-based" instead, in any way leans itself to "gender abolition".

One might get impression that "gender" is simply being used to mean trans people existing, and "gender abolition" simply means restricting trans people from being able to transition and use different gender labels. And basically nothing else.

With "sex-based rules and restrictions" being basically just gender roles but trans-proofed.

[BlackForestCake]

But you are forced to call yourself "woman". Even though many trans men nd non-binary people do not want to use that label.

Your struggle is against reality, not against feminism.

[Shedbuilder]

Give us some concrete examples of things that are said by GC feminists to back up your assertion and we can think about it.

Present us with your evidence and we'll reflect on it.

[Bortles]

Is op being wilfully obtuse? It's the opposite op. In order to be trans you have to be enforcing strict gender stereotypes, to be switching from one to the other. To be gender critical is to be critical of the ideas of these boundaries, of the stereotypes themselves. Sex based is nothing to do with these stereotypes, it's to do with biological sex.

[Shedbuilder]

@BlackForestCake

But you are forced to call yourself "woman". Even though many trans men nd non-binary people do not want to use that label.

Your struggle is against reality, not against feminism.

No one forces me to be a woman. I am a woman. Happy to be a woman. Women are amazing.

What's happened to you to that you hate your sex?

[AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken]

😂😂
This is a very confident post for someone who obviously has no clue about most of the words they’ve included.
“Sex”, “gender”, “gender critical”, “human biology” are terms you clearly need to research a bit better, OP

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@sharksarecool

OP I have drawn you a diagram:

I mean @sharksarecool's picture says it all really, doesn't it!!!

The thing is when you look at that diagram and you are saying that gender critical feminists only note the difference in genitals, and nothing else at all - not aggression etc

Then isn't it bizarre that they so strongly wish to retain the differences in access to spaces?

[midgemagneto]

But no one gets pregnant because of a large nose

There are no statistical differences in crime rates of large and small nosed people.

Noses clearly come in a range of sizes small , very small etc

Something smells off

[CiaoForNiao]

Has OP been here before? Under a different name? Or do they just have a very similar style?

I suppose this will be deleted for troll hunting. Which isn't my Intention. Its all just very similar...

[EyesOpening]

Is op being wilfully obtuse?

yes

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@midgemagneto

But no one gets pregnant because of a large nose

There are no statistical differences in crime rates of large and small nosed people.

Noses clearly come in a range of sizes small , very small etc

Something smells off

But @sharksarecool's diagram was incredibly clear that there is no difference at all apart genitalia! You know how Venn diagrams work right?

Where are you getting this statistical difference in crime rates? That wasn't in the diagram!

[chickenyhead]

I think we are still in screenshot City.

OP was arguing sex was gender last night too.

[PurgatoryOfPotholes]

OP, given your opposition to recognising biological differences between men and women, I suggest you try sticking it to society and rebelling, by... asking a health care professional to catheterise you with the type of catheter usually assigned to the other sex.

After that, ask them to interpret your iron levels in your blood test results according to your gender identity, not your sex.

[EyesOpening]

But sharksarecool's diagram was incredibly clear that there is no difference at all apart genitalia! You know how Venn diagrams work right?

Blimey, I guess humans don’t have 2 legs either then because that wasn’t in there either

[Bortles]

You CAN call yourself non binary but it's sort of like walking into a restaurant and declaring yourself an omnivore. You dont really NEED to, it's just assumed you eat a bit of meat and a bit of other stuff rather than exclusively one or the other. It's more unusual to be vegan for example, (standing in for exclusively masculine or feminine) so maybe that could be declared as in 'I only like clothes and hobbies and have feelings expected of a man/woman'. (but really, who would?!)

[CiaoForNiao]

Ehhhh? Wasn't it a Venn diagram of what makes us male/female?

Committing a crime doesn't make someone male, but statistics show that males are more likely to commit them.

[DdraigGoch]

Only it really doesn't does it? A lot of GC feminists are hugely invested in the gender distinction - it is their raison d'etre. They might say out loud that it is purely sex but what they're really referring to are the characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, femininity and masculinity - and namely likelihood of increased aggression in males.
Male aggression is born of biological factors such as testosterone, but it can be tempered (or conversely made worse) through socialisation.

GC feminists reject the idea that aggression is an inevitable part of manhood - it is not inevitable, men do not have to be aggressive, women do not have to be meek. GC feminists do however recognise that society does socialise gender stereotypes into people and they campaign to eliminate those stereotypes. They recognise that men pose a danger to women in vulnerable situations - some of the danger can be socialised out but human males will always be bigger and stronger than human females, that means that the capability to do greater harm will always exist.

[chickenyhead]

Genitalia determined by genetics also determines hormones. This is just goady to deny differences between the biological sexes.

[CrossPurposes]

Sharks are indeed cool.

[Wildgarlicpesto]

It's all very similar. If you Google what is my gender identity, you get pages of quizzes saying the same stuff.

www.quotev.com/quizzes/Gender+Identity

I said elsewhere it's a form of dissemination of the theory. Once you have done a few of these you can recite the answers off pat.

If you read trans twitter about "GCs" it's similar, they all recite the same few sentences.

OP has vanished, probably gone to retake the quiz as a refresher course.

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@EyesOpening

But sharksarecool's diagram was incredibly clear that there is no difference at all apart genitalia! You know how Venn diagrams work right?

Blimey, I guess humans don’t have 2 legs either then because that wasn’t in there either

I think the diagram had a very clear point - that genitals hanging between legs are the only difference between men and women .

Maybe @sharksarecool would like to clarify?

[GromblesofGrimbledon]

The words "man" and "woman" are as mundane and factual as the words "tall", "short", "blonde", "brown-eyed".

They are biological realities. You cannot identify out of being a man or a women at the most basic physiological level. We all have a sex. We are either male or female, man or woman.

You can call yourself whatever you like and dress however you like. GC feminists don't have a problem with that. It's good to reject traditional gender norms of masculine and feminine behaviours or ways of presenting. Do as you please. But you can't compel other people into agreeing with you and using terminology they disagree with. And no group of people as the right to anything that infringes upon the rights of another group of people.

Gender critical is not sex critical. You can think gender norms are a load of pish but still accept that males and females are fundamentally different in many regards and require certain sex-based provisions that differ from each other.

Woman need particular access to health care that men don't, and vice versa. Women need particular female-only spaces for safety and privacy. That's got nothing to do with whether or not a man wants to wear traditionally female clothing, surgically alter his genitalia, and take hormones to make himself feel better in some manner.

[Lessthanaballpark]

They might say out loud that it is purely sex but what they're really referring to are the characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, femininity and masculinity - and namely likelihood of increased aggression in males.

And some not all trans activists are, I must say, doing a marvellous job of disproving the idea that men are more aggressive. Terfisaslur.com is a testament to the peaceful nature of those activists.

[GromblesofGrimbledon]

Beautiful work @sharksarecool

I think some posters are angered by the simplicity of the argument. They like to hide behind the complexity of their own arguments.

It's really not difficult to grasp.

[sharksarecool]

"I mean @sharksarecool's picture says it all really, doesn't it!!!

The thing is when you look at that diagram and you are saying that gender critical feminists only note the difference in genitals, and nothing else at all - not aggression etc

Then isn't it bizarre that they so strongly wish to retain the differences in access to spaces?"

The testicles produce testosterone which makes men stronger on average than women. There might be some outliers, but generally speaking most men are stronger than most women. And that's the reason for all the demands: separate changing rooms, separate prisons, separate sports teams. Nothing to do with personality or other characteristics, everything to do with strength.

Anyone can be aggressive: man, woman, child. Lots of toddlers can be full of aggression, lashing out to try and hurt their mother. That doesn't matter too much because toddlers are small so they're no threat. But if an adult male is full of aggression, they are dangerous. So we really really don't want to be locked in prisons with them.

[Shedbuilder]

The words "man" and "woman" are as mundane and factual as the words "tall", "short", "blonde", "brown-eyed".

Er, no. For years people would argue whether I was blonde or had light brown hair. The way it looked depended on peoples' subjective ideas of what blonde was. I'm of average height but short when compared to taller women and tall when compared to shorter women. Are my brown eyes hazel or chocolate?

Female and male are much more clear-cut and unambiguous than your examples.