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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rampaging beautician brandished homemade flamethrower in terrifying Tube attack

106 replies

LazyHorizon · 30/06/2021 11:38

Another entry for the female violent crime stats. The perpetrator has been jailed, so would that be in a women’s prison?

www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/rampaging-beautician-brandished-homemade-flamethrower-24414970

Judge Silas Reid: “There are two sides to this lady — one is the side when she’s off medication and one is the side when she’s on it.”

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AssassinatedBeauty · 30/06/2021 12:48

He was a beautiful young man who had an affaire with Helen of Troy wasnt he?

Indeed, but I doubt that a male character in Greek mythology is behind the popularity amongst those choosing a new women's name as an adult. Is it Paris Hilton, or just the capital of France that's the influence...?

It's a real issue that the prison service and the probation service can't deal with people like this who clearly have a complex set of interacting issues but are a danger to everyone around them.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 30/06/2021 12:49

@Kotatsu

Is there something about the kind of meds this person uses which means they couldn't be turned into little bars and put under your skin - like birth control?

It seems to me that the issue is that all it might take is forgetting to take your meds one morning, which throws a person off-kilter, so they decide not to take any more meds, and it all snowballs. Making it a slow-release bar would surely be a good idea in this case (just like it can be for birth control) given the absolutely horrific alternative of the violence this person exhibits when not medicated.

Funny that women are deemed too thick to remember to take birth control daily, but people with mental health disorders and previous convictions etc can be trusted to take meds without a hitch. I think work to make slow release bars for all sorts of medication is a great idea!
TwistedEyeOfHorus · 30/06/2021 13:10

There are times when I think care in the community and a lack of staffed, secure mental health facilities doesn't actually benefit the person with the issues or benefit the community.

Paris needs support and help, not to go from prison sentence to prison sentence.

And women deserve to be safe without looking out for Paris.

Reallyreallyborednow · 30/06/2021 13:16

Funny that women are deemed too thick to remember to take birth control daily, but people with mental health disorders and previous convictions etc can be trusted to take meds without a hitch. I think work to make slow release bars for all sorts of medication is a great idea!

Many medications for MH are slow release or depot. Problem is it does depend on the drug, some simply cannot be formulated that way.

WomaninBoots · 30/06/2021 13:21

Not.

Our.

Crimes.

But also, Jesus there need to be lifelong institutional care for some people doesn't there? I know asylums were inhumane in most cases but why did the whole concept of keeping people safe just seem to get completely trashed? Surely there is a better solution.

AlfonsoTheMango · 30/06/2021 13:38

Why can't this individual take responsibility for their actions? Why does it have to be "blamed the family" and a "slow release bar [of medication"?

Why not just - this person is a menace to society and they need to be dealt with accordingly.

AlfonsoTheMango · 30/06/2021 13:38

of medication]"

MiddleEasternMummy · 30/06/2021 13:44

Will they be in a women's prison ?

AlfonsoTheMango · 30/06/2021 14:40

@MiddleEasternMummy

Will they be in a women's prison ?
Most likely as the person in question is a "lady".
NewlyGranny · 30/06/2021 14:51

This is just another of those things that would never happen and you'd have to be a raging bigot even to imagine the possibility, right?

At some point in the distant future, historians will be scratching their heads over a weird spike in women's violence in the 2020s...

Clymene · 30/06/2021 14:54

In this article, it's clear that his issues are due to a Crystal meth addiction.

www.mylondon.news/news/west-london-news/sex-worker-jailed-after-rampage-17744020

The line about not being accepted by his family seems to get trotted out regularly but most people go no contact - they don't assault loads of random women going about their business in london.

Gingernaut · 30/06/2021 14:59

@Clymene

This person targets women. Every single person attacked has been female except the pc pushed onto the track who tried to break up a fight.

He has assaulted tens of women. Is it going to take him killing one for them to lock him away for a decent period of time?

This.

This creature's attacked only women, unless men have intervened.

In 2017, t threw an off duty police officer onto live tube rails after he intervened in a disturbance on a tube train.

www.mylondon.news/news/west-london-news/woman-who-pushed-police-officer-13967789

LazyHorizon · 30/06/2021 15:28

The MyLondon article also uses ‘she’throughout and doesn’t mention that Paris is trans, just alluding to not being accepted by family and public.

You’re right, the victims of violence are all women except for that police officer who intervened. Chilling.

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AssassinatedBeauty · 30/06/2021 15:35

Not only women, but also often vulnerable women - a physically disabled woman, a partially sighted woman attacked randomly from behind, women attacked with racist slurs being shouted...

LazyHorizon · 30/06/2021 15:40
This one says they were sent to Belmarsh, so a high security men’s prison. Not a women’s prison. That’s one good thing at least.
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EsmaCannonball · 30/06/2021 15:44

Why are so many male-to-female transgender people associated with criminality or behavioural problems? My take is that it's partly the wolf-in-sheep's-clothing aspect and they're hoping the system will go easier on them, but it's also about oppositional and disruptive behaviour. They know that identifying as a woman is going to cause headaches and problems and they enjoy that in itself.

Imasoulman · 30/06/2021 15:44

@WomaninBoots

Not.

Our.

Crimes.

But also, Jesus there need to be lifelong institutional care for some people doesn't there? I know asylums were inhumane in most cases but why did the whole concept of keeping people safe just seem to get completely trashed? Surely there is a better solution.

Thatcher decided she could save a few quid by introducing " care in the community "

The consequences have by and large been horrific.

Imasoulman · 30/06/2021 15:51

@EsmaCannonball

Why are so many male-to-female transgender people associated with criminality or behavioural problems? My take is that it's partly the wolf-in-sheep's-clothing aspect and they're hoping the system will go easier on them, but it's also about oppositional and disruptive behaviour. They know that identifying as a woman is going to cause headaches and problems and they enjoy that in itself.

Wow, could you share your numbers on that statement?

I think it's likely that their crimes are more widely reported on as it sells papers.
I really don't think that trans people are any more likely to turn to crime than any other section of society

DaisiesandButtercups · 30/06/2021 16:00

@EsmaCannonball

Why are so many male-to-female transgender people associated with criminality or behavioural problems? My take is that it's partly the wolf-in-sheep's-clothing aspect and they're hoping the system will go easier on them, but it's also about oppositional and disruptive behaviour. They know that identifying as a woman is going to cause headaches and problems and they enjoy that in itself.
I think you may be on to something there. It is certainly an interesting question. There is evidence of high rates of mental health challenges amongst those identifying as trans. I think that came out in the judicial review brought by Keira Bell.

There are some statistics here on prisons

fairplayforwomen.com/campaigns/prisons/

Unfortunately the gender identity lobby, especially Stonewall has worked hard to obscure the facts and trans identity is not always recorded.

ScreamingMeMe · 30/06/2021 16:19

Thatcher decided she could save a few quid by introducing " care in the community "

The consequences have by and large been horrific.

This. There hasn't actually been very much "care" in the community. Of course there have been many awful scandals surrounding long stay facilities too. We've just gone from one bad extreme to the other Sad

RedDogsBeg · 30/06/2021 16:49

I really don't think that trans people are any more likely to turn to crime than any other section of society

Transwomen seem to have a particular penchant for violent and sexual crimes that uncannily mirrors the same rates found in male criminality, odd that.

One section of society has a very low rate of crime as a percentage of size, wonder which one that is.

Imasoulman · 30/06/2021 16:51

@RedDogsBeg

I really don't think that trans people are any more likely to turn to crime than any other section of society

Transwomen seem to have a particular penchant for violent and sexual crimes that uncannily mirrors the same rates found in male criminality, odd that.

One section of society has a very low rate of crime as a percentage of size, wonder which one that is.

So not simply because they are trans then!

RedDogsBeg · 30/06/2021 16:56

Certainly as likely to commit crime as one particular section of society and yet claims are made that they are no longer members of that section of society, very strange.

JaninaDuszejko · 30/06/2021 17:02

I really don't think that trans people are any more likely to turn to crime than any other section of society

Transwomen have criminality rates comparable to other XY individuals. However, the FPFW site says 50% of XY individuals who request transfer to the female prison estate have a conviction for sexual violence. But I think it's a case of all pennies are coins but not all coins are pennies.