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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Wi Spa pt 2: talking to the manager

60 replies

FlyPassed · 28/06/2021 18:39

I can't see this was posted already, apologies if it's a duplicate.

Original MN thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4281706-pushback-at-wi-spa-in-los-angeles

Part 2: talking to the manager.
Our hero holds the line, the manager can only say that they cannot discriminate on the basis of gender identity.

I hope this brings lots if sunlight

www.instagram.com/tv/CQfqaRDnS36/

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ArabellaScott · 28/06/2021 18:50

I don't know anything enough about US law - the manager might be completely correct, does anyone know?

OvaHere · 28/06/2021 18:53

Oh she is magnificent!

I really felt for the other woman too who was clearly upset that this man and his penis was getting into the jacuzzi with little girls.

FlyPassed · 28/06/2021 18:59

Yes, it seems to me like this is the Equality Act's GI protection in action.

Agree, I feel really bad for the staff. Working in retail and hospitality is bloody hard and usually low paid. That poor woman is just right between a rock and a hard place.

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DeRigueurMortis · 28/06/2021 19:01

She is absolutely incredible.

Fearless.

Thanks
Manteiga · 28/06/2021 19:03

@ArabellaScott: I don't, but I imagine it varies by state. Wonder if the same thing has happened here.

Tabasco007 · 28/06/2021 19:06

Thanks for linking the extended version, how have we got to a point where its acceptable for someone with a penis to think it's fine to expose themselves to women and children and the women who complain are the ones in the wrong.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 28/06/2021 19:06

I think there are not only difficulties in understanding US law but specific state provisions.

FWIW, there are Californians on Twitter saying that the bathroom laws do not cover changing areas or specifically female spaces like this when there is a choice - bathroom laws include that they can only be mixed when there are privacy stalls.

From what the young woman in this video is saying about the transgressor with legs akimbo, that instance is not covered.

However, that's Twitter, and there must be some nuance in play - presumably around the legality of asking someone to validate their status irrespective of provisions.

I am so angry that low wage, minimum protection women like the manager are being put up front to defend this. Legislators everywhere have put women in these invidious positions and have done it knowingly, hoping soft words turn away wrath even when that wrath is righteous.

Siblingquandary · 28/06/2021 19:07

The poor manager. She knows it's wrong but can't do anything

NonnyMouse1337 · 28/06/2021 19:15

Once women realise what "trans" really means i.e. zero surgery and no way to challenge any male in your space, they are no longer happy to turn a blind eye. I hope more women and men start organising political and public opposition to laws on gender identity. It can't be nice to realise you've been hoodwinked into losing your rights. ☹️

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/06/2021 19:17

It really is the Emperor's New Clothes played out in real life isn't it? Happening in so many places. What a great woman - her outrage and determination that young girls should not be exposed this creep .

Cailleach1 · 28/06/2021 19:18

I wonder why they pretend 'Males will be prosecuted' if they go into the women's section. A male can just walk in if he says three words 'I'm a woman'. He can just strip and have a good old gawk with those magic words. An act of indecency not counted as an act of indecency. You couldn't make it up.

That is like saying 'shoplifters will be prosecuted' when they steal something, unless they say 'i identify it as mine'.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 28/06/2021 19:19

@MrsOvertonsWindow

It really is the Emperor's New Clothes played out in real life isn't it? Happening in so many places. What a great woman - her outrage and determination that young girls should not be exposed this creep .
I saw a reinterpretation of the Emperor's New Clothes recently that argued it was never about the clothes, it was about the Emperor's right to expose himself and dominate and cow the populace to such a degree that nobody could comment upon it.
OvaHere · 28/06/2021 19:20

I saw a reinterpretation of the Emperor's New Clothes recently that argued it was never about the clothes, it was about the Emperor's right to expose himself and dominate and cow the populace to such a degree that nobody could comment upon it.

Sounds about right.

NewlyGranny · 28/06/2021 20:03

What I can't understand for the life of me is why two or three of the grown men standing by did not just say, "Pease escort us to where this person is sitting naked in the jaccuzi frightening little girls away and we will remove him for the benefit of all the women and girls."

Men are cowed or complicit and women are once again fighting the battle for their own safety alone.

OhHolyJesus · 28/06/2021 21:14

"I'm a white woman, is that ok?"

There is so much I love about this!

I love how much she says penis, dick and testicles. I love that the woman with her says she will protect little girls until her last breath. I love that the other woman demonstrates how close the man got to the 9 yo girl.

Just fantastic. Let's have it out. Let's have all of it 'swinging' out.

What total legends.

PaterPower · 28/06/2021 21:17

What I can't understand for the life of me is why two or three of the grown men standing by did not just say, "Pease escort us to where this person is sitting naked in the jaccuzi frightening little girls away and we will remove him for the benefit of all the women and girls."

What, and risk potential assault charges? If he refused to leave and they touched him, even just to guide him out, they’d be in the wrong. And who do you think the Police would side with these days?

OhHolyJesus · 28/06/2021 21:20

Karen Davies commenting on the video

334bu · 28/06/2021 21:25

Brava!

Rhannion · 28/06/2021 21:29

I don’t have instagram so can anyone tell me if it’s on Twitter. Thanks

FlyPassed · 28/06/2021 21:32

You should be able to see the video without IG @Rhannion. I could, but couldn't see the comments

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 28/06/2021 21:43

@Rhannion

I don’t have instagram so can anyone tell me if it’s on Twitter. Thanks
I don't have Insta and can see both the video and the comments.
jeaux90 · 28/06/2021 23:49

Someone please get her on some news programmes. She's amazing.

NiceGerbil · 29/06/2021 02:35

@NewlyGranny

What I can't understand for the life of me is why two or three of the grown men standing by did not just say, "Pease escort us to where this person is sitting naked in the jaccuzi frightening little girls away and we will remove him for the benefit of all the women and girls."

Men are cowed or complicit and women are once again fighting the battle for their own safety alone.

Because despite the idea that men go around protecting women and girls at all costs, very possibly with violence.

In real life as I know and others probably do as well, they don't want to get involved, they see it as a thing for the women to deal with.

That dynamic is really obvious in this video.

And then there's the lovely chap who. Having not seen the man or anything. And can see the angry woman and all the other women and girls standing around in bathrobes etc having left because of the chap.

Nevertheless takes it upon himself to tell the angry woman, and of course the women and girls all hear.

That they're being very unfair. The person MIGHT be trans. Be kind. Don't make a fuss. Give him the benefit of the doubt. Blah. Blah.

I recognise all that male behaviour well.

NiceGerbil · 29/06/2021 02:38

@PaterPower

What I can't understand for the life of me is why two or three of the grown men standing by did not just say, "Pease escort us to where this person is sitting naked in the jaccuzi frightening little girls away and we will remove him for the benefit of all the women and girls."

What, and risk potential assault charges? If he refused to leave and they touched him, even just to guide him out, they’d be in the wrong. And who do you think the Police would side with these days?

And that is what men always give as their reason for not doing anything.

None came to the women and said that's not right.
None backed up the woman and said to wokebro come on that's not right.
None went to the counter and asked the staff what they were going to do..

...

So many things any of them could have done without being arrested...

...

Nothing.

It's always/ usually the same. IME.

FannyCann · 29/06/2021 08:04

I saw a reinterpretation of the Emperor's New Clothes recently that argued it was never about the clothes, it was about the Emperor's right to expose himself and dominate and cow the populace to such a degree that nobody could comment upon it.

I'm the sort of person who never gets the deeper meanings of stories and books but now this has been explained it's so obvious!