Transphobic hate crime

[ANewCreation]

primetimezone.com/world/im-trans-portuguese-young-man-assaulted-in-england-for-being-transsexual/

This is a violent, transphobic hate crime and I utterly condemn these men who attacked 21 year old Ruan Filipe in Bournemouth earlier this month.

The police have no record of s report.

I find it hard to believe that in Bournemouth a car with armed men, telling someone to get in, who are armed with knives, and ready to attack using them. Would get no response from the police.

These men sound extremely dangerous.

@ANewCreation do you have any more info? What do you make of the police statement?

Officers have looked into the information available and have not been able to find a record of such an incident.

The reason I asked about it being posted here is I guessed women would be somehow blamed and then waste our time defending against something that has nothing at all to do with us.

It took what felt like just few seconds before were accused of having 'blood on our hands'

@NiceGerbil

The police have no record of s report.

I find it hard to believe that in Bournemouth a car with armed men, telling someone to get in, who are armed with knives, and ready to attack using them. Would get no response from the police.

These men sound extremely dangerous.

@ANewCreation do you have any more info? What do you make of the police statement?

What I make of it is that we should be careful of Instagram posts , badly translated on a site and then picked up by Pink News as they went googling in for a headline.

There is a reason even Wikipedia wont accept Pink News links as source.

I'd recommend anyone study Ruan's old Instagram pics and make up their own mind .

There is quite a bit more detail in the article than in the original Insta post about the attack, so I assume they (whoever wrote the article) must also have spoken to him. And the Insta post does appear to mention a gun too, so it’s doubly odd if the police just overlooked that.

Where has OP gone?

@ANewCreation interested in your thoughts given the police statement

Anyone fancy discussing this more generally?

They say I lie gets round the world while the truth is still putting it's shoes on. Or something.

If this is all over Twitter then lots of people are taking this at face value. Not thinking that's still did they catch the men etc. Which doesn't show much actual engagement with the article. They don't want to know if the men were caught? These obviously very dangerous men?

The fact it gets posted here with what do you think. Well in general most people don't think anyone should be attacked with knives. Does anyone seriously think that suddenly women who are assumed to be a type of feminist are in favour of violent men attacking people? Is no one stopping and thinking, hold on a sec...

The idea that violent men who are capable of serious assault listen to what women, specifically certain feminist ones say. That's simply ludicrous.

The idea that when violent men are violent it's women's fault (that's an original Idea )

Life intervened, NiceGerbil !
Thanks very much for finding the Bournemouth echo link.

To be fair, this was only posted about 4 hours ago so there was no legitimate news source when I looked this morning - and I did look. (I'm not on Instagram and didn't want to give P News the clicks).

Truthfully, no part of the police statement surprises me. Seems fair as does the statement by the PCC. I hope Ruan does get in touch and is able to give an accurate account of what happened.

And I think yours is a good point that many will not question the narrative of the story and the correction by the police and the illogical imputed blame will be to GC women.

As I said earlier:

"So, even if we were to find out down the line that the reasons why the story seems a little 'off' are actually because the story is a bit 'off', I want to believe Ruan. I don't want there to be a 'boy who cried wolf' element to the reporting of serious hate crime."

I don't want Ruan to have been hurt at all or to have been through any kind of traumatic experience like the one described. Yet at the same time I actually want to be able to take a story like this at face value, (even though some of the details set my spidey senses off) because I am wary of victim blaming and because, if serious attacks like this are happening, then why are TRAs squinnying about being fearful of stickers and ribbons.

There are real fears and fantasy fears and I am concerned that a sub culture that is marginalised may sometimes major on the fantasy fears to everyone's detriment.

And yet:

"My sister is a trans man and has suffered transphobic abuse/attacks in public recently. It's appalling and had nothing to do with gender ideology, it was men being abusive arseholes to someone they felt they could attack.

This is frequently the power dynamic of male violence so I am sorry to hear that your sister has experienced this, Ragz

"There are real fears and fantasy fears and I am concerned that a sub culture that is marginalised may sometimes major on the fantasy fears to everyone's detriment."

Yeah.

That's why courts rely on professional women like me to produce accurate, verifiable reports. Just musing like.

Prick News can fuck off by the way.

@JemimaTab

There is quite a bit more detail in the article than in the original Insta post about the attack, so I assume they (whoever wrote the article) must also have spoken to him. And the Insta post does appear to mention a gun too, so it’s doubly odd if the police just overlooked that.

Do you seriously think the police in the UK would ignore a reported crime involving knives and guns?

In Bournemouth!

No I don’t. I was trying to express scepticism although this may not have come across. I live in an area of central London which is rife with knife crime and going by my own experience, the police (despite being seriously overworked here, and, yes, occasionally incompetent) simply would not ignore something like this.
For what it’s worth, I think the superficial knife cuts on the Insta pics look self-inflicted. The cuts look rather carefully placed. This is speculation on my part, and obviously I could be wrong, but there do appear to be a number of additional tentative cuts as well. No bruising or anything, no signs of having been roughed up by a scrum of men. It’s just not what I would expect to see from a group of aggressive armed men.

ANewCreation-

Glad you're back!

I'm interested in why when you saw this you thought I'll start a thread on mumsnet?

Why did you want to believe it? It's on Twitter I think. If you're concerned about a serious crime that the police have ignored don't you want to find out if anything happened next?

To be clear. I don't go around googling everything.

The idea that the police in Bournemouth would not be interested in

A group of men in a car
Driving around telling people to get in
Who are armed with knives
And ready, with no trepidation to get out and cut someone's face on the street

That's a really serious crime.

The get in the car... Why? That's never good.
Armed. Knife crime is a real focus in the UK and has been for some years.

The police not being interested?

I was also confused as to why if they had knives they didn't take him in the car to do whatever it was they wanted in the first place.

Have you been to Bournemouth?

All in all I think it's highly unlikely that this thing circulating is true.

Yes the police are shit. Mine are the met. I have never trusted them.

I just can't see Bournemouth police saying sod off to this. Not least because of this armed group of violent men still at large in the area.

The question I'd be really interested in your fridge response OP.

Was why did you post this on MN?

Why was that your first thought?

Rather than I dunno.

Googling to see if there was any more info
Tweeting the force in question with the item and asking for an explanation

Why here?

I live in a small UK market town where every day on our local police Facebook page they post bulletins about the knife and gun crimes they have dealt with, that's EVERY DAY ! Knife and gun crime is a big priority with the UK police, and arresting women for made up crimes against men of course, rape is not so much of a priority.

@yeahbutnaw

Anti-trans violence is an anti-trans problem.

Wow well if we follow that line of thinking you have in that mind of yours then. Rape is only a female issue. Domestic violence is a private issue. Assaults and violence is just a matter between 2 people Male violence is a male issue But as long as it’s not affecting you then your ok ✅ Yeahbutnaw:

It is very unusual that a group of men armed with knives and guns would cut the victim in this way. Rape, yes, sadly. I do have some professional knowledge of types of offending.

I’m going to honest and say I simply don’t believe this happened as the person claims it did.

Yesterday morning I read this article about Henriett and Mihrican:
the women whose bodies were found in a freezer
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57597749

I thought about all the countless opportunities to stop this evil man that the police missed.
Why is the system failing women and girls so badly that this man was able to get away with years of violence, sexual assault, abuse of children?
Why did the police not seem to believe women and girls when they talked of abuse?

Being a soft hearted leftie, I tend to impute this to woeful underfunding of the social care system/Tory government cuts - rather than because the police, social workers etc are determined to get it wrong/don't care.
I've worked in state and private sector and frequently it comes down to money and resources to drive quality.

So it bothers me so much that while this egregious abuse of women is happening, the police are going after wrong think, poems, stickers, ribbons, 'misgendering' while demonstrating allyship by rainbow washing and lanyards.

Because maybe as a woman I have been inured to the low level harassment you get from your teen years on but really, if this low level of 'transphobic' stuff is all you have to worry about, then it's a bit rubbish yes but you have to just develop your resilience.

I came into this 'debate' in 2017 when my ASD, ADD 16 year old suddenly announced he had thought for the last couple of months (after extreme bullying irl and then immersion online where he was 'groomed' by randoms via discord) he would feel more comfortable as a girl. Classic ROGD.

Mental health took a nose dive, we spent 1000s on therapy, suicide watch, self harm, referral to the Tavi etc.

My kid thinks that if they go to the toilets at the airport with their dad and brothers they will be murdered.

Fantasy fear rather than real fear.

But what if there is serious physical violence and the police are not taking it seriously? (I think this unlikely but then I would have thought that in the freezer murderer case too)

So yes, I believed Ruan because I don't want my initial reaction to a story of literal transphobic violence to be disbelief.

Was I aware that the experience might be 'curated'? Absolutely. That's what this generation does.

And I am concerned that somehow GC women get even more blame if we don't speak out and condemn literal violence. Of course we get the blame either way. And it is violent men who are at fault

I didn't think we would get to blood on our hands/Godwin so quickly but that reflects the nonsense on social media elsewhere

You can do an AS on my name, NiceGerbil to see my posting history. I am on the thread so please don't feel obliged to @ me. I don't 'do' any other social media apart from mumsnet.

I don't usually start threads because I don't have the hours to engage and I tend to write long, (hopefully considered) posts which require editing to keep in the rules.

I promised to go out before it rains so I am not plopping but will be back later.

@HairyPotter

I’m going to honest and say I simply don’t believe this happened as the person claims it did.

The more I think about it the more I agree with you.

The police should visit Ruan to take a statement and get the details and description of the attackers or to confirm that this didn't actually happen and it's a completely made up story.

I think there is more to this story than we are currently seeing....From the outset I thought it very strange-the knife wounds to the face are very superficial-not what you'd expect from a violent struggle with a group of men.....There was no punch to the face....

I'm in no way advocating for more violence but I think this might fall into the category of potentially self inflicted. Truth will out eventually though.

There is a reason even Wikipedia wont accept Pink News links as source.

If 3 or more grown men pinned down a female there would be bruises on arms/wrists, probably knelt on.

They would've had to hold the head very still to make those perfectly positioned, extremely superficial scratches, with gloves on, which would decrease sensitivity.

How could they bite an attacker with something shoved in their mouth?

The first reaction of a violent aggressive man to being bitten would not be to get up and leave.

No evidence of it ever being reported to the police.

Male violence should not be tolerated but I'm not buying this. It's either made up or highly embellished.

OP I remember now your previous post about your child - are things any better? I can see why this article would worry you and your child, but I hope your child can learn to be reassured more by the facts that trans people are not more threatened in the UK than anyone in the general population (thankfully), rather than being made anxious by ambiguous articles like this. Wishing you both well navigating between fact and social media, and if I remember correctly navigating between your principles that sex matters, and your child’s beliefs about their gender identity. I hope your child finds more empowering beliefs about themselves soon.