This is actually the Women's Rights section, look!

[33feethighandrising]

So, they've renamed us Sex and Gender Debate (FFS).

But look, the URL of this section is www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights

So, we're basically the same section that was Feminism Chat before, (And FWR before that? Can anyone remember?)

And, this section is actually Women's Rights. Has been all along, no matter how many times they rename it.

It really should be called Women's Sex-Based Rights now, though, don't you think? Sex and gender debate is a shit name.

I mean, I don't think they should have split it at all, but as they have, they should at least use a name the members of the board will like.

How often do other boards have names forced on them they don't like?

The new boards I've noticed being set up have always had names that were liked by the people who wanted the board.

Having this name foisted on us is a shitty manoeuvre by MNHQ IMO.

Yeah Sex and Gender debate is nonsense....there is no debate remember? We're not allowed to debate it because then we are meanies! #nodebate

Someone suggested Feminism: Sex Based Rights and Protections as a forum name - I prefer that.

Women's rights would suffice.

The 'sex-based' is superfluous.

All women's rights are sex-based as women are all of one sex.

MNHQ don't actually like their users very much do they?

@ViperAtTheGatesOfDawn

Women's rights would suffice.

The 'sex-based' is superfluous.

All women's rights are sex-based as women are all of one sex.

Yes. Women's rights is what it's all about.

Don’t know, but it a a right PITA having to switch between the two. You have to go all the way back to talk and then to the separate sections

So Womens Rights is now Sex Debate.. umm..

What's the other section then?!

Well I didn’t know you were here.

I probably still can’t say what I think without being deleted 🙄

So do MNHQ think that the only women’s rights issues are the “gender and sex”debate? Where have they put women’s rights? Where can we discuss women’s rights?

Oh wow! They’ve really cut down the feminism offering on MN! There used to be a lot more sub topics under feminism weren’t there?

Where can we discuss women’s rights?

Either here or under 'Feminism'. It's not that difficult to understand - there are only two boards now.

I don't know what the URL was before but the overall section was called "Feminism" and now has reverted to "Feminism & Women's Rights". Which should please the posters who continued to refer to it as FWR long after it changed to just "Feminism".

Either here or under 'Feminism'. It's not that difficult to understand - there are only two boards now.

No we can’t discuss women’s rights here because this is the sex and gender debate board. And there is no board called feminism. There is feminism chat but women’s rights is a bit more serious than a chat. IMO.

So how do I know whether the issue I want to discuss (hypothetically) belongs on this side or the other side? And will a lot of them be spent moving things from one to the other?

Well it appears as though we are welcome to have a chat about feminism or discuss the sex and gender debate but nothing else has a place here on MN. I’m assuming MNHQ would like us to go elsewhere for that.

It really should be called Women's Sex-Based Rights now, though, don't you think? Sex and gender debate is a shit name

Women's Rights is fine as it is. No need to add "sex based" .

I'm actually embarrassed on MNs behalf. Proper cringe today.

The other thread now called Feminism Chat (which is what women's rights was renamed as?) can be found here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/feminism

This is where you can talk about women and sports and never have to embarrass yourself by being in anyway political and asking why women are experiencing common issues.

I had originally thought this was all about not wanting feminism to be seen as being about women's sex based rights vs trans rights.

Now I am wondering if it isn't about women who want to talk about being treated differently because they are a woman but would prefer not to have that annoying political label feminist.

No doubt Feminism Chat will become "Women's Chat" or even "Non-male's Chat" or "Person's Chat"

@OhDear2200

Don’t know, but it a a right PITA having to switch between the two. You have to go all the way back to talk and then to the separate sections

Yes. We are going to have loads of duplicated topics as is really hard to see what's posted where.

Users are already replying in both places. The boards aren't connected in anyway.

@yetanotherusernameAgain

Where can we discuss women’s rights?

Either here or under 'Feminism'. It's not that difficult to understand - there are only two boards now.

I don't know what the URL was before but the overall section was called "Feminism" and now has reverted to "Feminism & Women's Rights". Which should please the posters who continued to refer to it as FWR long after it changed to just "Feminism".

I'm pretty sure, the URL ended /womens_rights before, when it was Feminism Chat, until today - and possibly also before then when it was FWR, can anyone confirm?

So the women

We could dig a tunnel?

@UhtredRagnarson

Oh wow! They’ve really cut down the feminism offering on MN! There used to be a lot more sub topics under feminism weren’t there?

I believe all the different topics were from the last time they tried to spilt FWR so the scary feminists could be hidden away to discuss theory and activism elsewhere, but it didn't work as everyone ended up in chat anyway.

De ja vu, anyone?

@Iggi999

We could dig a tunnel?

Now that sounds like a plan!

Just put everything in AIBU, it’s what everyone else does. They’ll have to employ more staff with all the threads they’ll have to keep moving.

Well I mainly post about women's sex based rights and dont debate with gender as I dont believe its real. So I think I will continue to post in Feminism Chat, as feminism is about women's sex based rights.

This board should be left to those who think there is a debate about gender as having the same reality as sex.

Also have just found out there isn't an option on the advance search function to search the Feminist sub section sex and gender debate.

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

MNHQ don't actually like their users very much do they?

Sadly, I think you're right.

Women - silenced, sidelined, overlooked, minimised, dismissed, disrespected.

Cheers MNHQ.

Meh. Afraid 99% of us just don’t really care.