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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jess de Wahls

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Mollyollydolly · 16/06/2021 23:34

The Royal Academy have removed Jess' work from their shop due to a handful of complaints that she's 'transphobic'. If you want to support Jess her website is here.
www.jessdewahls.com
So sick of these utterly craven organisations. I hope she has a legal case against them for discrimination.

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 16/06/2021 23:37

I read Jess' statement a long time ago, probably after she was cancelled by the vagina museum.

Women explaining why they are pro-women and that isn't anti-trans is becoming a genre, isn't it?

Hope she is ok. Her work is gorgeous.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 17/06/2021 00:36

The RA removed her for 8 complaints? Assuming this report is true:

twitter.com/Obsolesence/status/1405259156500713472?s=20

Were the complaints from:
the Pope;
Dalai Lama;
Archbishop of Canterbury;
HRH Queen Elizabeth;
Joe Biden;
Barack Obama;
Grayson Perry;
[equivalent of 4th plinth in Trafalgar Square]?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 17/06/2021 01:32

Re-read that statement and then consider this man, whose official entry and membership stands.

www.royalacademy.org.uk/art-artists/name/eric-gill-ara

Eric Gill. Royal Academician.

Quote from wikipedia

"After the war, together withHilary PeplerandDesmond Chute, Gill foundedThe Guild of St Joseph and St Dominicat Ditchling. There his pupils included the artist and poet David Jones, who was to become engaged for a time to Gill's second daughter, Petra.[56]Gill also became a lay member of theDominican Order.[2]

His personal diaries reveal that his religious beliefs did not limit his sexual activity, which included several extramarital affairs, incestuous sexual abuse of his two eldest teenage daughters, incestuous relationships with his sisters, and sexual acts on his dog.[57][58][12]"

Either we're separating the art from the artist, or we're not.

If we're not, I think we need to be memory-holing the work of Eric Gill before Jess De Wahls, surely?

MrsTerryPratchett · 17/06/2021 01:38

His personal diaries reveal that his religious beliefs did not limit his sexual activity, which included several extramarital affairs, incestuous sexual abuse of his two eldest teenage daughters, incestuous relationships with his sisters, and sexual acts on his dog.[57][58][12]"

WTAF?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 17/06/2021 01:49

Yup. I can only conclude that isn't in conflict with the values of the Royal Academy of Arts.

Previously, I had thought it was separation of art and artist, as with the BBC which still displays statues by Gill at Broadcasting House.

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Prospero andAriel statue - Eric Gill

Over the front entrance of Broadcasting House stand the statues of Prospero and Ariel (from Shakespeare's last playThe Tempest), by Eric Gill. Prospero, Ariel's master, stands 10ft tall and is depicted sending Ariel out into the world. Ariel, as the spirit of the air, was felt to be an appropriate symbol for the new mystery of broadcasting.

After Broadcasting House was opened and the statues were installed (1933), concern was voiced about the size of the sprite’s genitalia. A question was tabled in the House of Commons, but the popular story, that Gill was ordered to modify the statue, is not substantiated.

The Sower statue - Eric Gill

In the main reception at Broadcasting House is Eric Gill'sThe Sower, a man broadcasting seed. The statue, made of English marble (Hopton Wood Stone) stands 8ft 7 in tall in a niche by the doors leading to the artists' lobby and studios. A pedestal supports the statue, and bears the inscription "Deus Incrementu Dat" ("God giveth the increase", Corinthians, chapter 3, verse 7). The art collection also includes a Gill sketch of the work.

From www.bbc.co.uk/historyofthebbc/collections/art

So remember that if the BBC is denouncing feminists...

Mollyollydolly · 17/06/2021 02:51

The first thing I thought about when I heard about Jess was Eric Gill.

I've always loved his art but cant look at it anymore. I don't want him erased though.

And I am in no way comparing wonderful Jess to Eric Gill, but the double standards are abhorrent.

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BraveBananaBadge · 17/06/2021 07:22

Well quite, Purgatory. "We stocked this person's work before we were aware of their stated views" is chilling. Where do you draw the line with that nonsense.

OhHolyJesus · 17/06/2021 07:48

@BraveBananaBadge

Well quite, Purgatory. "We stocked this person's work before we were aware of their stated views" is chilling. Where do you draw the line with that nonsense.
Compared to "we continue to applaud this man's work even though he raped children and perform sex acts on a dog".
GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 17/06/2021 07:54

Dear me, @PurgatoryOfPotholes, you're SO missing the point.

Eric Gill was a man.

Now men are complaining about a woman. That's completely different.

I used to think this sort of shit was well behind us, but it's so obviously not.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 17/06/2021 07:58

Eric Gill was a man who did truly awful things - and even at the time these tweet truly awful things.

Jess makes beautiful things, and some little idiots don’t like her so stamp their feelings and the RA fall.

Dammit, my membership has expired - or I’d be having a strop of my own.

Beamur · 17/06/2021 07:59

I think we should write and ask them if they are going to audit all of the artists that they stock and display to make sure purity is maintained. As that's obviously more important than artistic merit.

highame · 17/06/2021 07:59

Will the RA have any paintings left to exhibit or was it just a rouse to get rid of paintings by women?

toffeebutterpopcorn · 17/06/2021 08:00

Just the wrong type of women. Especially women with opinions that other women don’t like...

Beamur · 17/06/2021 08:04

Same old, same old.
How very tiresome this all is.

teawamutu · 17/06/2021 08:06

I really thought the Maya judgment would be some protection from shit like this. Who can we write to?

Also Jess has a website and sells beautiful things there. Just saying.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 17/06/2021 08:15

We need an art expert to take this on.

Was there not an observation that the only women represented in art collections are either naked in the paintings or as sculptures?

Female artists are notable mostly by their absence in galleries, art schools and art institutions.

It has always been this way. Here is a woman producing excellent quality art from a female perspective and she has been cancelled for, erm, having a new (to art) view.

While dog fuckers, rapists, abusers, slavery owners, and creepy old Picasso exhibit on.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 17/06/2021 08:19

I'm SO CROSS!

I thought art was supposed to challenge? Supposed to make us consider our assumptions? Reflect the world to us and make us see things in a new light?

I like cactus ovaries and I want to see more of her work. Far rather that than a lightbulb going off and on in a room, even Martin Creed couldn't explain that one.

WalkersAreNotTheOnlyCrisps · 17/06/2021 08:28

“We appreciate you holding us to account on this issue”

Sycophantic bastards 🤮

Poor Jess 😤

Imnobody4 · 17/06/2021 08:46

I hope she sues. That statement is libellous. Gender critical beliefs are now protected in law and are not transphobic. What a complete bunch of spineless idiots they are.

FlyPassed · 17/06/2021 08:51

This is disgusting but not surprising.

Online contact form, here;
www.royalacademy.org.uk/contact-us

I have asked when the artist audit will begin and suggested they start with Eric Gill. Looking forward to seeing the list of acceptable artists.

ScreamingMeMe · 17/06/2021 08:51

Craven, cowardly wankers.

SnoopsCaliforniaRoll · 17/06/2021 08:57

Utterly pathetic on the part of the RA. I have raised a complaint via the website's Contact form.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 17/06/2021 09:01

@Beamur

I think we should write and ask them if they are going to audit all of the artists that they stock and display to make sure purity is maintained. As that's obviously more important than artistic merit.
I've been continuing to browse through their artists, looking for names I recognise.

www.royalacademy.org.uk/art-artists/name/anish-kapoor-ra

I spotted Sir Anish Kapoor. I hasten to add, nothing that Anish has done is remotely anything like what Gill did! But Anish, who has the sole rights to use the paint Vantablack, has a long-running amusing feud going with the artist Stuart Semple, in which he is banned from buying any of Stuart's pigments as a retaliation for not sharing Vantablack with other artists.

Semple is known for his colorful paintings, which frequently make use of pop culture references. He’d been making his own pigments for years, and decided to release one to the public as a protest against Kapoor’s refusal to share Vantablack. Semple put out a pigment he called theWorld’s Pinkest Pink, available for just £3.99 to anyone who wanted it… except Kapoor. A legal disclaimer on Semple’s online store made this clear: “By adding this product to your cart you confirm that you are not Anish Kapoor, you are in no way affiliated to Anish Kapoor, you are not purchasing this item on behalf of Anish Kapoor or an associate of Anish Kapoor.”

But Lisson Gallery, Kapoor’s London representative, violated Semple’s terms of service to purchase the Pinkest Pink. Then Kapoor shared aphoto on Instagramfeaturing him flipping a pink-dipped middle finger to the camera. Caption: “Up yours.” And so the feud began.

(Continues: www.format.com/magazine/features/art/anish-kapoor-stuart-semple-vantablack-blackest-black)

I suppose we can take it that the Royal Academy of Arts has Taken A Side and that they wholly endorse everything Anish Kapoor has ever said or done on social media, yes?

littlbrowndog · 17/06/2021 09:06

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WalkersAreNotTheOnlyCrisps · 17/06/2021 09:09

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