Mermaids, Gendered Intelligence & Fox killer launch appeal against Charity Commission over LGB Alliance charity status

[FindTheTruth]

www.scotsman.com/news/people/lgbt-charities-launch-appeal-against-charity-commission-over-controversial-groups-status-3257923

"In April, the LGB Alliance was made a charity after the commission decided the group benefitted the public through its educational and awareness-raising activities about discrimination based on sexual orientation."

"On Tuesday, transgender children’s charity Mermaids launched an appeal against the decision at the first tier tribunal, supported by other charities and groups including Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence, and the Good Law Project."

@DeRigueurMortis

The story has made the Daily Mail now:

Trans groups go to war with Charity Commission over LGB Alliance
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The DM and MOS have been covering these issues since the Man Friday days, and doing it very well, too.

The comments are a joy and many of them are very well informed about the relevant issues.

@yeahbutnaw

I've read the grounds of appeal and each claim appears to be true.

Fingers crossed their charity status is revoked. They've done nothing to benefit LGB people (and in fact have launched harmful campaigns against LGB rights - like their support for conversion therapy).

It's all a facade for their anti-trans ideology.

Stop it!

You have said that all before and have had it all shown to be twaddle, a cynical and deliberate misreading of a fairly straightforward statement that had to be removed and restated because of the way it was misrepresented.

Start with: they do not support conversion therapy, they are just SHOUTING that any legislation needs to be worded very carefully or it runs the risk of being a very bad law, causingmore issues than it solves.

Read what they say instead of the lying twaddle that had traduced them

lgballiance.org.uk/endconversiontherapy/

Surely sexual orientation is different from gender identity? Why are they being conflated?

@yeahbutnaw

I've read the grounds of appeal and each claim appears to be true.

Fingers crossed their charity status is revoked. They've done nothing to benefit LGB people (and in fact have launched harmful campaigns against LGB rights - like their support for conversion therapy).

It's all a facade for their anti-trans ideology.

Well, since, you don't have a hope of even defining what L, G, or B is, I think they're quite safe.

Blessed sunlight in the DM.

I've read the grounds of appeal and each claim appears to be true.

I'm going to apply to an international tribunal to have the state of Denmark dissolved. My grounds will be that Denmark supports pig farming.

Now, even though those grounds are true, my application won't be successful. This is because in order to win in legal proceedings you need more than just true statements.

@ThursdayWeld

Surely sexual orientation is different from gender identity? Why are they being conflated?

Ask straight people.

Society saw gay and trans people as interchangeable until quite recently. We both defy gender stereotypes - so we were regarded as part of the same group for decades.

We fought alongside each other for a common goal of acceptance of gender non-conformity. We continue to fight alongside each other.

I don't think Stonewall is involved, which makes the whole thing even stranger. LGBA does have an overlap with Stonewall, but had no overlap at all with solely trans charities. All this is going to do is to highlight that there is a conflict between the LGB and the T, a conflict that all the trans charities have been saying doesnt exist.

Society saw gay and trans people as interchangeable until quite recently.

No.

Society saw gay and trans people as interchangeable until quite recently. We both defy gender stereotypes - so we were regarded as part of the same group for decades.

That's not down to 'society'. That's down to the deliberate conflation. Have you not read the Denton report?

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Society saw gay and trans people as interchangeable until quite recently.

No.

Much informed. Very debate.

@thepuredrop

I suspect this is more about trying to sue a small charity with limited resources out of existence, to make it so difficult for LGBA’s day-to-day operations that they fold, even if this action by GLP et al fails.

This.

Well, @yeahbutnaw, perhaps it's time to separate out sexual orientation from gender identity.

@nauticant

As an aside, the part "Unless the Decision is quashed, Mermaids is likely to suffer financial loss, in that (a) it may find itself competing with LGB Alliance for donations from the public and grant-making bodies" is under the section "Standing" as is simply there to show that Mermaids have a right to bring the case rather than it being an argument that this is happening or is something that is bothering Mermaids or should bother the Charity Commission.

It's a pretty useless argument regarding their 'Standing' too, I reckon.

I would have expected sufficient 'Standing' to need to be the likes of EHRC, or the NHS, or a professional medical College, or a government dept, or a major Foundation like the Nuffield outlining health concerns.

Not another (small) charity that says it's competing for donations and funds.

I suspect that Stonewall might be involved, perhaps just in terms of behind-the-scenes consultation, but the challenge is configured so that the money can be shown only to come from the GLP so that there can be awkward questions asked about public funding being used to pursue such a dodgy case.

@Datun

Society saw gay and trans people as interchangeable until quite recently. We both defy gender stereotypes - so we were regarded as part of the same group for decades.

That's not down to 'society'. That's down to the deliberate conflation. Have you not read the Denton report?

No, it's down to society.

How were these terms "conflated" in the 70's, pray tell?

We fought alongside each other for a common goal of acceptance of gender non-conformity.

BINGO! If that was actually what you were fighting for, and tried to enshrine in law, then we'd all be on your side. But it's not.

If you want to team up to replace "gender identity" or "gender reassignment" with "gender non-conformity" as the protected characteristic, let's go.

Ask straight people

Well I am straight, @yeahbutnaw, and my child is trans. Still don't see why sexual orientation and gender identity have to be conflated. Would save a lot of trouble all round if trans organisations stopped insisting that they should talk for anyone who isn't straight.

@ThursdayWeld

Well, *@yeahbutnaw*, perhaps it's time to separate out sexual orientation from gender identity.

Yeah, but no.

Trans people have fought for gay acceptance. We're not going to abandon them now.

And it's not up to straight people to decide. Just FYI.

@ThursdayWeld

Ask straight people

Well I am straight, @yeahbutnaw, and my child is trans. Still don't see why sexual orientation and gender identity have to be conflated. Would save a lot of trouble all round if trans organisations stopped insisting that they should talk for anyone who isn't straight.

It's not up to straight people to decide.

Is that difficult to understand?

It's not up to straight people to decide

And, according to people like you, it's not up for LGB people to decide either.

No, it's down to society.

How were these terms "conflated" in the 70's, pray tell?

Trans people were vanishingly rare, in the 70s. And they were largely HSTS. So gay themselves. No conflation necessary.

Then Stonewall decided to include cross dressers, transvestites, and all the other stuff under the umbrella.

No one thinks that people like Karen White are gay, believe me.

No we don't. You don't speak for all LGB people, you speak for a tiny minority that's getting smaller by the day. That's why Stonewall and the consortium and Mermaids are so determined to do whatever they can to shut LGB Alliance up. If all LGB people willingly support transpeople, why would anyone be running scared?

The next thing you'll be telling us is that Storme DeLarverie was trans. She wasn't, she was a butch lesbian.

This is going to backfire spectacularly.

That Mail article alone will be helping millions of people to understand why puberty blockers are such a bad idea and why Mermaids is such a controversial charity.

I hope they include something on Saturday - their readership goes up to over 3 million then.

It's only one strand in a set of arguments to show Standing SpindleWhorl. It doesn't prove anything, it's just to claim an arguable case and to resist a preliminary strike out application. I just mentioned this to say that it's a distraction to give great signficance to section 14.2 of the Grounds of Appeal.