Mermaids, Gendered Intelligence & Fox killer launch appeal against Charity Commission over LGB Alliance charity status

[FindTheTruth]

www.scotsman.com/news/people/lgbt-charities-launch-appeal-against-charity-commission-over-controversial-groups-status-3257923

"In April, the LGB Alliance was made a charity after the commission decided the group benefitted the public through its educational and awareness-raising activities about discrimination based on sexual orientation."

"On Tuesday, transgender children’s charity Mermaids launched an appeal against the decision at the first tier tribunal, supported by other charities and groups including Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence, and the Good Law Project."

Good point too that this group are choosing to do this towards an LGB org in Pride Month.

Penalties? It's going to waste an awful lot of people's time. That's fine if it's just those raising the silly suit, but unfair if it impacts on those being maliciously attacked.

If MF wins on the gender critical belief point then LGBA will be a charity for people with a PC that may also hold a protected belief. How is that not a valid charitable purpose.

@merrymouse

They seem to be focusing on criticism of gender identity:

“Whatever sweet nothings the so-called “LGB Alliance” whispered into the ear of the Charity Commission the truth was set out in a speech by LGB Alliance director Bev Jackson on 9 March 2020. She described their real goal as follows:

“We’re applying for charitable status and building an organization to challenge the dominance of those who promote the damaging theory of gender identity.”

However it isn’t difficult to explain why gender identity theory is damaging and a belief in gender identity theory is not synonymous with being trans.

They want sexual orientation to be based on gender, not sex.

Unfortunately, they've got absolutely no legal standing.

It's absolutely in the interests of LGB people to maintain the integrity of their definition.

@Erikrie

I hope there's penalities for malicious self serving homophobic court action such as this. Although it seems stonewall are fucked anyway, looking at how they are been dropped. Will Mermaids be next I wonder...

I said on the other thread about Stonewall Diversity that when their reputation is on the line they are at their most dangerous. Forgot to add desperate as well.

Mermaids has also taken a hit with the change of policy at Tavistock.

I wouldn't be surprised if they have more dangerous/desperate strategies planned.

Good point too that this group are choosing to do this towards an LGB org in Pride Month

Do they think that nobody is going to notice how many of the people they target are left wing/gay/trans?

It really is an odd feeling to see the scales fall from one's eyes, and realise that these organisations, many fronted by heterosexuals, are actually targeting LGB people on the basis of their orientation. It really is regressive. They really are the bad guys.

“A charity can promote the rights of one or more specific groups, but may not do so whilst demeaning or denigrating the rights of others, including on social media – and the Commission will consider taking regulatory action where that occurs.”

Link to tweet

What are the odds of Mermaids & any others joining this action actually losing their own charitable status as they "demean & denigrate" LGBA?

Wouldn't that be a very 'interesting' outcome...

I thought the LGB Alliance had been clear they are not excluding trans people - trans people are welcome to join, and if those trans people are LGB they may benefit from the LGBA's work anyway, it's just that they're focussed on sexuality rather than identity. Which makes perfect sense to me. Yes! My transman friend is a member of the LGBA as he is in a lesbian relationship, though it is heterosexual as he has a GRC. So they tick and untick all the boxes in one go

He squares that away quite easily by applying logic. His wife was bemused initially, she was/is not a lesbian and didn't know him when he was she. But between them they muddled through it and don't really care about the labels. But, after a few discussions about Stonewall and LGBA, he decided he would join, if only to show that they are trans inclusive, if the trans individual is not a demanding twonk!

So they are now openly declaring their homophobia. Doesn't seem such a great tactic to me.

Meanwhile, Frances Barber has broken ranks bigly

What are the odds of Mermaids & any others joining this action actually losing their own charitable status as they "demean & denigrate" LGBA?

It's so interesting how all their own arguments could easily be turned back on them. And they're doing this pot/kettle/glass houses/stones dance at the same time as, presumably, annoying the hell out of the Charity Commission.

They're not going to win friends and influence people this way so I presume the intention is to bully and intimidate the CC into complying with their wishes? I can see that backfiring.

“A charity can promote the rights of one or more specific groups, but may not do so whilst demeaning or denigrating the rights of others, including on social media – and the Commission will consider taking regulatory action where that occurs.”

This is the problem for Stonewall then and mermaids, isn't it? They don't believe in the rights of people to have a sexual orientation based on sex.

It seems to me as tho the LGBA are defending their position, rather than attacking anyone else's. But the same can't be said for Stonewall and mermaids.

This quote in the article from Mermaids is interesting:

In reality, LGB Alliance seeks only to operate for the benefit of lesbian and gay people who are both not transgender and share LGBA’s beliefs

and the problem with that is what exactly?

@Whatsnewpussyhat

So they are now openly declaring their homophobia. Doesn't seem such a great tactic to me.

Exactly.

Through all this, they've never yet allowed themselves to be put in a position where they have to actually explain how men can be lesbians.

@TheShadowyFeminist

“A charity can promote the rights of one or more specific groups, but may not do so whilst demeaning or denigrating the rights of others, including on social media – and the Commission will consider taking regulatory action where that occurs.”

Link to tweet

What are the odds of Mermaids & any others joining this action actually losing their own charitable status as they "demean & denigrate" LGBA?

Wouldn't that be a very 'interesting' outcome...

A charity can promote the rights of one or more specific groups, but may not do so whilst demeaning or denigrating the rights of others

INAL, but I wonder what the charity commission can do about the homophobia on SM by these groups and what the process is. I'll be gardening for any campaign taking this on. Also in the online bill coming this year and we need measures against SM platforms demeaning or denigrating the rights of groups and re-platforming of people banned for standing up for characteristics in the Equality Act.

I said on the other thread about Stonewall Diversity that when their reputation is on the line they are at their most dangerous. Forgot to add desperate as well

Well this should be an interesting few months then. Watching them self destruct and their desperate attempts to hang on during this process. 💥

I think their insistence that conflicts of interest can never arise between trans people and other protected groups is damaging their thinking.

“A charity can promote the rights of one or more specific groups, but may not do so whilst demeaning or denigrating the rights of others, including on social media – and the Commission will consider taking regulatory action where that occurs.”

Absolutely this. I hope the penalties are severe.

@RedDogsBeg

This quote in the article from Mermaids is interesting:

In reality, LGB Alliance seeks only to operate for the benefit of lesbian and gay people who are both not transgender and share LGBA’s beliefs

and the problem with that is what exactly?

Exactly.

And didn't Nancy Kelley say just a few days ago that Stonewall doesn't claim to represent everyone?

So why don't they all pipe the fuck down and allow the LGBA to stand for the LGB people who do feel represented by them?

It's just pure spite.

Bloody hell, these people have not a single clue. This should be very interesting.

So according to Mermaids etc. LBGA exclude the T but they are now saying that LGBA will take funding away from them. So are they admitting that many T may be LGB after all and won't transition?

It certainly seems that this action can be seen as demeaning and denigrating. And completely ignores that LGB Alliance has trans supporters. Surely it cannot be seen as anything other than as malicious as it seems.

If it fails to gain any traction or is denied completely, does this then mean that The Good Law Project is pretty much stymied as far as reputation is concerned?