Mermaids, Gendered Intelligence & Fox killer launch appeal against Charity Commission over LGB Alliance charity status

[FindTheTruth]

www.scotsman.com/news/people/lgbt-charities-launch-appeal-against-charity-commission-over-controversial-groups-status-3257923

"In April, the LGB Alliance was made a charity after the commission decided the group benefitted the public through its educational and awareness-raising activities about discrimination based on sexual orientation."

"On Tuesday, transgender children’s charity Mermaids launched an appeal against the decision at the first tier tribunal, supported by other charities and groups including Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence, and the Good Law Project."

Moaning that you might lose money isn't a good look, in my opinion.

Also, how? Lesbian, gay, bisexual people on the one hand, and children who think they are trans on the other.

The overlap is incidental. In the same way that someone with heart disease might also be autistic.

The LGBA isn't going to work hand in glove with Mermaids (though I'm not suggesting they would attack them directly either) and there is a very real risk (especially with Stonewall on the ropes) that it could break through as "the" LGB charity taking not just significant funding from Stonewall but also its "clout" and influence.

Except that I wouldn’t imagine that LGBA want to take over the heterosexual friendly pink washing that is the focus of Stonewall’s current activities.

@Artichokeleaves

One is arguing for bodily autonomy. The other is arguing against it. Both claim to support women. Only one actually has policies that would benefit women. Would you welcome both?

Yes.

Both would be run by women, speaking for women, who are entitled to have their voices, to disagree with each other, to stand up for different things and to make their own case.

What is the alternative? Some higher authority who will decide on behalf of women what is good and right and silence everyone not on message? That's called totalitarianism. I want no part of it.

I know this was a while back, but it made me think of charities around sex workers, one side wanting it fully legalised, the other calling for strong laws to effectively ban it.

They both support women and both [claim] to be beneficial to women, but their aims and goals are on opposite ends of the scale. They still co exist and as far as I know the one doesn't try to get rid of the other.

@Doublesheets

mobile.twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1400103950473367552

Mimmyuterusparent is always good for a laugh with the crazy conspiracy theories.

So a Christian fundamentalist organisation is advising a LGB charity on how to restore the natural order of sexuality? That must take some real mental gymnastics to get to there.

The overlap is incidental.

Not if Stonewall is involved...

@merrymouse

The LGBA isn't going to work hand in glove with Mermaids (though I'm not suggesting they would attack them directly either) and there is a very real risk (especially with Stonewall on the ropes) that it could break through as "the" LGB charity taking not just significant funding from Stonewall but also its "clout" and influence.

Except that I wouldn’t imagine that LGBA want to take over the heterosexual friendly pink washing that is the focus of Stonewall’s current activities.

Agreed.

It can be broadly summarised as

position one: everybody is free to believe and do as they want, please carry on, but not to enforce their beliefs on everyone else. Live and let live in parallel.

position two: there is only one right way and all other ways, views and dissenting voices should not be permitted.

It's worth noting in the debate of these two positions the likening of differing views to parallels like racism (only one acceptable view), instead of far more similar parallels like creationism or scientology/religious faith, and to constant unevidenced assertions of connection to far right/other popularly unacceptable groups, and which positions refer to this. Once past that strategy, I'm having difficulty finding further argument to address.

So a Christian fundamentalist organisation is advising a LGB charity on how to restore the natural order of sexuality? That must take some real mental gymnastics to get to there.

But where are these shadowy Christian organisations? It’s been a few years now and the individuals and organisations targeted by Mermaids et al seem to be overwhelmingly gay/female/left wing.

🤔

@Doublesheets

mobile.twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1400103950473367552

Mimmyuterusparent is always good for a laugh with the crazy conspiracy theories.

What on earth?

Helen has just called LGB Alliance an anti-trans hate group. If I had the money I’d sue. She obviously hasn’t paid attention to the latest in libel judgements in the last week and how damaging playing fast-and-loose with the truth could be.

Silly woman

@Doublesheets

mobile.twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1400103950473367552

Mimmyuterusparent is always good for a laugh with the crazy conspiracy theories.

Oh tragically I'm blocked. What's she saying?

I'm sitting on my hands not to reply.

@Waitwhat23

The argument made by Mermaids against the LGB Alliance that giving LGB Alliance charitable status means that they will suffer financial hardship due to having to compete for grants and funding makes no sense. I just Googled 'heart disease charities' and loads of different charities came up, broadly addressing the same issue. Do they argue against the existence of other similar charities in the same way as Mermaids appears to be? AFAIAW, there's no limit as to how many charities can exist for a specific cause so how can their argument be valid?

Yes, this harks back to my comment earlier, but it's very interesting, this idea that seems to have become common in certain types of activism, that one group has to be some sort of official representative for a group.

It has to be about power, I think, in the grossest sense. If SW can laim to be the voice of the LGB community, they can set the policy direction and lobbying direction and claim a lot of moral weight.

As soon as another group sets itself up and they have a disagreement on some issues that are being pushed, they lose that moral force, and all the political and economic power they can turn it into.

@bitheby

I'm sitting on my hands not to reply.

Given she's got only 31 likes I'd suggest it's a tweet best left to die it's own death (though worth a screenshot first).

As a general comment I'd say I'm seeing some movement away from TRA support on Twitter.

Not from the "hard core" but the SM allies seem to be in decline....

So mermaids essentially want a monopoly on funding (and therefore I assume control the narrative) is that correct? And pesky LGBA are getting in the way!?

One model says there can only be one group per cause and that group has a total monopoly.

Another model says there can be a number of groups per cause and they are able to compete for attention, funding, and resources in what is effectively a marketplace.

It reminds me of something.

In court documents, which do not appear to have been signed by its lawyers, Mermaids states...

Oh look, I think the Times is surprised, in the style of a high court judge

Feels like someone might have gone a bit rogue

@Sexnotgender

So mermaids essentially want a monopoly on funding (and therefore I assume control the narrative) is that correct? And pesky LGBA are getting in the way!?

‘I could have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for those pesky kids women.’

Sounds like Scooby Doo

It must be the heat, getting to everyone's heads. There can't be any other explanation. Batshittery.

When does a charity cease to be charitable? When it exists to further its own existence, rather than to make the need for it go away.

I've just seen this tweet by Aidan Comerford. He doesn't seem to understand that Helen Staniland and the others were laughing at the Christian Right theories.

twitter.com/AidanCTweets/status/1400155970886672395

Stonewall, Mermaids et al are clearly threatened by the very existence of LGB Alliance, why?

If there is no support from within the LGB arena for LGB Alliance, or what they are offering is unnecessary as it is already covered by existing charities then that will soon become apparent. The determination of others to shut it down because they will lose money or influence, because they can't control the narrative, because they can't enforce the one true belief and they are not interested in anyone holding any differing opinions from their own merely confirms that there is an absolute need for the LGB Alliance to support those who are not represented by the current charities and this action by Mermaids is drawing glaring attention to that fact.

Christian right. 🙄 They just can't get it through their heads that ordinary women raise this money. They clearly think that we can't afford it.

Weren't Microsoft found to be in breach of the law because they were effectively a monopoly? It was probably US law and I'm too tired to Google it, sorry.

American christian right promoting same sex attraction in the UK? They have just painted Christians as baddies without understanding either Christianity, Christianity in the UK, or for that matter the UK political right which sits to the left of the democrats.