Posie putting her money where her mouth is. Lets do this.

[Fallingirl]

Posie is planning to re-build the women’s sector, starting with crowd funding for a women-only refuge.

I'm beginning to wonder if I want to be a feminist as well.

Me too. I think I'll just do my own thing.

@Floisme

I'm not being drawn into an argument about personality or character. The people in the women's sector are, I am sure, good people but they haven't been able to keep men out of these spaces. They haven't even been able to speak out about it. It's a mess and, if someone is brave enough and strong willed enough to draw attention to that and to take the shit that's going to rain down on them, then that's character enough for me.

What Flo said

Just so I understand your point, are you saying because the refuges have become T inclusive PP should glean expertise from the people and organizations who have allowed this to happen. It's an interesting approach, next time my house is on fire I'll be sure to team up with the local arsonist to find a solution.

You've never seen so much vitriol?

Really??!!

What. Ever. Anywhere?

The reaction to female politicians in general in the UK? Especially black politicians?

The reaction to the woman in the ched Evans case who had to relocate and change her name at least 3 times?

The things that are said about women who speak out in general?

The way too many men react when women/ girls don't behave how expected?

Vitriol is words I think?

What about actions?

You have literally never seen so much vitriol ever.

Ok. I think You've been going around with your eyes shut.

Unless your point is that women arguing is bad. Vitriol. Which is distinct from the physical threats suppression violence murder that will women get for speaking out of turn?

It would be great if you could expand.

I'm sure you can't mean that this chat board is the worst reaction either verbally or physically to words that you've ever seen?

What about that man that was poisoned by Putin et Al and in detained?

What about that flight recently by Ryanair that was hijacked by Belarus to arrest a journalist?

What about the women in Saudi for driving?

What about all the rape threats and death threats. To women and their children. On SM and outside. Is that vitriol? Or another category?

Can you expand please on what you mean by vitriol and how in a global context this is the worst thing you've never seen?

Because if it is. You are very very sheltered. Genuinely.

Read the news maybe.

Sapphos
I think your next move is grumbling how you would have only gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those pesky feminists

It's simple, I think women should support each other, raise each other up. I don't agree with everything Posie says and that's fine, but attacks on her are always deeply personal. I don't want any part of it, just like on another thread on here where people cant be pleased Arlene Foster won her libel case because they don't agree with her political views. That's it.

Oh on and on. So dull.

There's not an exam to qualify as a feminist.

This 'identify as' a feminist stuff is shit.

Feminist is as feminist does. I don't care how women 'identify'.

It is a fact that women IN GENERAL care more about sexual violence, DV, child protection, child poverty, etc etc irrespective of politics (in general) than men.

I have seen women of various politics talk passionately about these issues.

For men. In general. It's not even on the radar.

And this thread is a shitshow.

I mean FFS. Labels are nothing. How you feel, what you believe in, the values you demonstrate to your children and elsewhere... No many women don't like to think of themselves as feminists. Because it's very very unpopular. And what does it mean anyway? Prostitution is empowering? Or it's a disaster?

Every single day women all over the place do things, support things, talk about things because they are angry or upset etc.

Are all the women who were enraged about the John warboys fiasco self identified feminists? No of course not.

Are all the women who are horrified at the situation of girls in some countries and donate to plan self identified feminists? No.

'Just so I understand your point, are you saying because the refuges have become T inclusive PP should glean expertise from the people and organizations who have allowed this to happen. It's an interesting approach, next time my house is on fire I'll be sure to team up with the local arsonist to find a solution.'

Your point equates PP to a murderer. Who commits arson? Generally men. Who dies? Generally women and children.

You are equating PP to a man who sets fire to a house to punish ( generally a man who the male arsonist has an argument with) and the uninvolved woman and children die.

There has been a recent news story where this happened.

Is that really how you see her? Honestly?

I believe as a woman, that I should be entitled to vote, own property and I should not be disadvantaged in life because of my sex, therefore I am a feminist.

I may sometimes argue with other women about what constitutes disadvantage and how to eliminate it, but I will still be a feminist.

NiceGerbil are you drunk?

NiceGerbil

Think the other poster means that the people currently running TW-inclusive refuges are arsonists! It's been a long thread though. I'm losing my grip on reality here.

Aye she's rightly pissed

Quoting mimmymum as a reasonable position though?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ved4oHtm3aw

I'd like you all to read this thread, and mimmybirthingparent's contribution to it.

twitter.com/HanoverHussy/status/1376802399323570180?s=19

I don't value her input into anything to do with refuges at all.

What kind of a comment is that Sappho?

What's your response to my actual posts?

@NiceGerbil

'Just so I understand your point, are you saying because the refuges have become T inclusive PP should glean expertise from the people and organizations who have allowed this to happen. It's an interesting approach, next time my house is on fire I'll be sure to team up with the local arsonist to find a solution.'

Your point equates PP to a murderer. Who commits arson? Generally men. Who dies? Generally women and children.

You are equating PP to a man who sets fire to a house to punish ( generally a man who the male arsonist has an argument with) and the uninvolved woman and children die.

There has been a recent news story where this happened.

Is that really how you see her? Honestly?

You might want to try re-reading the post you're ranting about.

The poster obviously means that the people who are running refuges which allow men are the "arsonists".

Your point equates PP to a murderer. Who commits arson? Generally men. Who dies? Generally women and children

The poster was comparing the existing women working in women's services to arsonists. As they have 'allowed' the TRAs to win.

Bit of an extreme analogy and quite unfair.

@NiceGerbil

You've never seen so much vitriol?

Really??!!

What. Ever. Anywhere?

The reaction to female politicians in general in the UK? Especially black politicians?

The reaction to the woman in the ched Evans case who had to relocate and change her name at least 3 times?

The things that are said about women who speak out in general?

The way too many men react when women/ girls don't behave how expected?

Vitriol is words I think?

What about actions?

You have literally never seen so much vitriol ever.

Ok. I think You've been going around with your eyes shut.

Unless your point is that women arguing is bad. Vitriol. Which is distinct from the physical threats suppression violence murder that will women get for speaking out of turn?

It would be great if you could expand.

I'm sure you can't mean that this chat board is the worst reaction either verbally or physically to words that you've ever seen?

What about that man that was poisoned by Putin et Al and in detained?

What about that flight recently by Ryanair that was hijacked by Belarus to arrest a journalist?

What about the women in Saudi for driving?

What about all the rape threats and death threats. To women and their children. On SM and outside. Is that vitriol? Or another category?

Can you expand please on what you mean by vitriol and how in a global context this is the worst thing you've never seen?

Because if it is. You are very very sheltered. Genuinely.

Read the news maybe.

You've misinterpreted the post about "vitriol" too. Molly is on PP's side.

@buggerbuggery

So now it is going to have a legal structure. I wonder what those posters earlier on the thread who have given money and say it is better not to have a legal structure think? And no if you are a non-profit in England you need to be a charity, CIC or co-op unless your income is under £5k annually. If you know an organisation that has a higher income than that and is neither of those then it is operating illegally.

Go back and reread the last 25 pages from the beginning.

Your misrepresentation of posters here makes it very difficult to take your posts in good faith.

I spent all my May money on Sonia Appleby's fundraiser and I won't have anything spare for a couple of weeks yet. So I've had time to weigh up this project without feeling any immediate pressure to donate/not donate.

Posts like yours, and a couple of other posters, have helped me make up my mind - Posie is getting my June spare cash for this project.

I fully expect Posie to handle this project in a competent manner and to pull in good people with the necessary expertise and knowledge. This is hardly the first thing she has attempted without prior experience, after all.

Posie has said and done a few things I haven't ageed with. I don't care. Every single high profile woman in this great big messy, disjointed 'movement' has said and/or done a few things I haven't agreed with.

This is to be expected - women are human, remember?

I salute all of them. Every single woman who is out there doing and saying things to stand up for women and girls, our rights, safety and wellbeing. Even if they sometimes say things I disagree with. Even if they all hate each other.

I also don't care if a couple of posters have kind ideas about opening their own homes to women seeking refuge. It's not realistic and it won't happen but it comes from a good place.

Really not so sure about your posts.

This comment

'In addition, my experiences of domestic violence happened in a same sex relationship so a refuge being female only doesn't 100% guarantee safety'

So what's the point then?

If women are as bad as men then why separate them?

To see a lesbian bringing up the idea that homosexual women are no different from straight men in terms of violence/ sexual violence. Really?

So no value in women only spaces then, anywhere. Ok then.

@SapphosRock

Tinsel funnily enough there is a video of Posie specifically telling men to insert themselves into female spaces.

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1355525072400875527?s=21

Ah, ok. I see you.

@SapphosRock

Tinsel funnily enough there is a video of Posie specifically telling men to insert themselves into female spaces.

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1355525072400875527?s=21

Mimmymum blocked most of us here a long while before her failed private prosecution of a transsexual for transphobic hate speech.

Try to keep up.

To be fair guys, I completely disagree with Sapphos' take here, but she's a long term & thoughtful poster.

I'd argue that PP has been completely misinterpreted re the guns comment - it was clearly hyperbole/thought experiment/ranty if you put it into context.

& I am personally very happy to have bunged PP an additional tenner this evening because I think she's a bloody effective conduit for sunlight.

& I don't much care for being told I shouldn't support Posie with my spare cash, even if it's by women I also support with my spare cash.

This is important to me. I've just had a grumbly row at work where a cause close to a colleague's heart was turning into a huge divisive event, & I'm irritated because I bought the T-shirt out of politeness & general goodwill, but didn't devote my weekend to the fundraiser - it wasn't that I disagreed with the cause, particularly, just that I have other priorities & limited time.

I am absolutely 100% done with anyone but me tetching at me as to where I donate & where I give my time.

So: £20 to Posie. I've listened to & read all the arguments. I think her project has merit, so I've supported it.

I used to argue with PP on here constantly.

She is and was a very divisive character with very strong views that she would argue with no stepping back or moderation.

She certainly was clear then that she was not a feminist. She came and rowed with me and others.

In the end she is just a woman. A woman who is strong in her beliefs and does not back down.

Donate or don't donate. Up to you.

I don't, actually I do get. Why she causes so much hostility.

Because she does not 'identify' as this or that.
She thinks what she thinks and that's that.
She is not. Interested in proving her allegiance to this that or the other.

She is very brave and very good at getting media attention.

I have no doubt that she is sincere.

When it comes to omg this that or the other. Is she the largest threat on whatever it is? Is there any question that she doesn't care about women and girls?

Donate or don't donate. Donate to her and/ or the list shared earlier of women only services. 5 suggestions. Five. For 30 million female people.

SapphosRock - it would be nice to hear your thoughts on the discussion itself rather than ad hominem insults.

lol

Mimmymum blocked most of us
Yes alas I too am spared Mimmy's words of wisdom despite having never interacted with her on Twitter or anywhere else.