Posie putting her money where her mouth is. Lets do this.

[Fallingirl]

Posie is planning to re-build the women’s sector, starting with crowd funding for a women-only refuge.

That's how defenders of PP come across to me.

Your Dominic Cummings analogy doesn't work. If Posie had been a noted misogynist who campaigned for an end to single sex spaces it might, but as she isn't it's just exaggeration and hyperbole.

Tinsel funnily enough there is a video of Posie specifically telling men to insert themselves into female spaces.

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1355525072400875527?s=21

It's all a bit ad hominem. Or biblical.

Posie is a wicked women therefore needs to be cast out of whatever it is that her critics think they own - VAW organisation, fund raising, feminism.

Like her, or don't like her, but claiming that supporting her 'looks bad' is childish.

@SapphosRock

Tinsel funnily enough there is a video of Posie specifically telling men to insert themselves into female spaces.

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1355525072400875527?s=21

Oh for goodness sake, we're citing Mimmy's tweets now?

Ok so far we've got

Posie is naive, uncooperative, abusive, racist, an inciter of violence, a danger to vulnerable women, a liar, a grifter, un-feminist.

and should just open a nice little Cafe instead.

Gotcha.

Well. she's not a saboteur of provision for women. Nor is she betraying women by running a coach and four through the definition of woman. She is in not compromised by having to go along with men's attempts to undermine girls and women, and make them more vulnerable in order to keep funding going.

That is the strength of her position. Great, if as some say, that there are lots of women quietly providing single sex refuges. The more the merrier. They do theirs and PP will campaign for more. In a way which means this won't be swept under the carpet any longer. In fact, it will be nice if it makes a lot of people who are having it all their own way a little hot under the collar. In the full glare of publicity. Bring this out roaring into the public square.

She is campaigning for women specific refuges where women can go, in the knowledge that they are female only spaces. That is a hell of a lot more than most other refuges are doing now. I think that would do a lot more to support Muslim women in such need (as part of the supposed sorority of womanhood) than lip service.

Is Mimmy not the Mermaids fan? Why is Sapphos using them as an example of good practice? Oh...

I said that as people keep bringing up Muslim women.

That's how defenders of PP come across to me.

That is because you don’t seem to understand it has nothing to do with ‘defending’ Posie, it is about whether one agrees with her position or not in regards to the issue(s), nothing whatsoever to do with liking her personally or not. When someone has to continually resort to attacking someone personally, instead of addressing their arguments, that is usually because they have no real counter argument to the other person’s position.

Agree Tinsel the Dominic Cummings analogy doesn’t work for the reasons you say. It would actually work better if it was an analogy of former genderists joining the women’s movement. If feminists behaved how SapphosRock would like, we would never welcome former genderist women into the feminist movement, due to their previous history of advocating for genderism. While it is true they may be looked at with suspicion, their current actions will ultimately determine whether feminists trust them or not. For example, if they are still spouting genderists talking points or trying to rubbish other women in the movement who have strong boundaries with men, then they will not be trusted. Personally I think that is a reasonable position to take.

I'm not being drawn into an argument about personality or character.
The people in the women's sector are, I am sure, good people but they haven't been able to keep men out of these spaces. They haven't even been able to speak out about it. It's a mess and, if someone is brave enough and strong willed enough to draw attention to that and to take the shit that's going to rain down on them, then that's character enough for me.

Righto. Let's get this straight. Posie Parker's strategy for tackling self ID is to get men with guns to go into female toilets to show how scary self ID is.

Assume all PP supporters are on board with this plan as nobody has challenged it?

Knowing this is her strategy for tacking self ID, what could her strategy for setting up a women's refuge I wonder? 🤔

Give it up sapphos. You're embarrassing yourself.

Posie is naive, uncooperative, abusive, racist, an inciter of violence, a danger to vulnerable women, a liar, a grifter, un-feminist.

And just like Katie Hopkins, don't forget.

Is Mimmy not the Mermaids fan? Why is Sapphos using them as an example of good practice? Oh...

Yep.

Sapphos Am I right in thinking that you have only recently come round to the GC way of thinking? Because if so, I think you've got a way to go and a lot of history to catch up on.

If I am confusing you with another poster, then I apologise.

What Floisme said.

Also, it puts me in mind of the recent vote in Scotland. Rape Crisis Scotland did not support sexually assaulted women to be able to choose the sex of the person carrying out an intimate examination.

Why would they not prioritise the wishes of raped women?

@Erikrie

Posie is naive, uncooperative, abusive, racist, an inciter of violence, a danger to vulnerable women, a liar, a grifter, un-feminist.

And just like Katie Hopkins, don't forget.

She's my kinda gal.

(That was facetious.)

But seriously, I applaud Posie for her courage and her creativity in getting her message across.

Erikrie it would be nice to hear your thoughts on the discussion itself rather than ad hominem insults.

What do you think about Posie Parker's idea of encouraging men with guns into female toilets? Do you think it's a good one?

@Erikrie

Posie is naive, uncooperative, abusive, racist, an inciter of violence, a danger to vulnerable women, a liar, a grifter, un-feminist.

And just like Katie Hopkins, don't forget.

Damn. I knew I forgot one.

@SapphosRock

Erikrie it would be nice to hear your thoughts on the discussion itself rather than ad hominem insults.

What do you think about Posie Parker's idea of encouraging men with guns into female toilets? Do you think it's a good one?

Posie does a YouTube broadcast from the hip nearly every night.

That was one sentence in a whole episode. She deleted it pretty sharpish as she realised she'd said the wrong thing.
If I broadcast on my own nearly every night in a pretty impassioned state on a subject I was bloody angry about I'm sure I might say the wrong thing a few times too.

No I don't agree with it. It's not a 'strategy'. You know this though. You're flailing about for a new angle.

What do you think about Posie Parker's idea of encouraging men with guns into female toilets? Do you think it's a good one?

Hardly relevent as she was referring to the United States where they are allowed to carry. Obviously not possible here is it.

@Floisme

I'm not being drawn into an argument about personality or character. The people in the women's sector are, I am sure, good people but they haven't been able to keep men out of these spaces. They haven't even been able to speak out about it. It's a mess and, if someone is brave enough and strong willed enough to draw attention to that and to take the shit that's going to rain down on them, then that's character enough for me.

With bells on 👏🏻

No wonder PP doesn't call herself a feminist. I've never seen so much vitriol. Arguing about issues is fine but nobody gets the shit she gets. I don't have to agree with her about everything to understand she's a unique campaigning voice and gets stuff done.

I get why she doesn't call herself a feminist. Not with all the self appointed gatekeepers of feminism who think they get to decide who is and who isn't worthy of using the description.

I agree. Witnessing the purity spirals on this thread I'm beginning to wonder if I want to be a feminist as well.