Posie putting her money where her mouth is. Lets do this.

[Fallingirl]

Posie is planning to re-build the women’s sector, starting with crowd funding for a women-only refuge.

This thread is absolutely insane.

@Erikrie

If I was a Muslim woman I may not feel so happy about that.

Which you're not. But hey, speak for Muslim women anyway why don't you. I'm sure your concern is entirely genuine 🙄

I'm not speaking for Muslim women, Posie Parker is at 11.45 in her video.

I just want to add that Posie is banned from Mumsnet, so she can't personally respond to any of these personal attacks or questions.

It is simply bare faced dislike for Posie, for any number of reasons best known to the attackers.

Tough.

Lots of women admire Posie. She is brave and focused and she bloody delivers. I'd employ her.

And the fact that she and Julia Long are long time collaborators is wonderful. I admire the fuck out of both of them.

More of that please.

I'm not speaking for Muslim women, Posie Parker is at 11.45 in her video

Yawn. She's speaking for all women mate. You're taking offense on behalf of Muslim women. Which is strange isn't it. Seems a woman only space doesn't seem to please you. Why is that?

Sapphos so after citing The Metro as your source after presumably a very quick Google, who are you bracketing as “white”? Because you appear to be avoiding questions. You are still coming across as racist and don’t appear to be trying to rectify that. If the cap fits...Meanwhile your attempts to derail fundraising for a women’s shelter are a really good look. If you don’t like what I’m doing here- perhaps reflect on your own strategies.

This thread is bizarre.

1. No one has to give any money. If they want to then they can. Most women donate a few quid here and there. What's the issue? It's not like anyone's saying sell your house. It's not an MLM. And there's not a one donation a year rule.

Telling adult women what things they may or may not spend their money on is. Well. Not very feminist is it

@drspouse

I would be more inclined to donate to Nia.

Nia are clearly for women only, so yes would be goof to support them.

Existing services are fucked and afaik most are registered charities and/ or rely on funding from various sources. Both those things come with strings attached. Being inclusive is one. Councils and other funding sources have started their terms- must be inclusionary. Charities are public. All these services are under attack, most have had to comply with funding terms. The sector has been cut to the bone. And councils are moving to big orgs who know fuck all, to provide generic services.

Why would she not fundraise fir existing rigs doing an amazing job of this such as Nia?

What accountability and transparency will there be regarding funds donated to the fundraiser?

Some women think they are in charge of feminism.

And should be in charge of grassroots movements too.

Nope.

@NiceGerbil

Existing services are fucked and afaik most are registered charities and/ or rely on funding from various sources. Both those things come with strings attached. Being inclusive is one. Councils and other funding sources have started their terms- must be inclusionary. Charities are public. All these services are under attack, most have had to comply with funding terms. The sector has been cut to the bone. And councils are moving to big orgs who know fuck all, to provide generic services.

You have to have a legal structure. If you are not a charity, or similar e.g. CIC or Co-op, then you are a business. This is not optional. You can be a charity and for women only. NIA is.

Why would she not fundraise fir existing rigs doing an amazing job of this such as Nia

You could do that. Fundraise for them. Take the initiative.

Quite right. You do it.

If the current organisations were up to the job, we wouldn't be in the shit we are in.

FILIA is pretty sound, I think

@MiladyBerserko

Some women think they are in charge of feminism.

And should be in charge of grassroots movements too.

Nope.

So much this. When some women undermine another woman for supporting women you have to wonder if those women are centring women first or actually just themselves.

@NiceGerbil

Existing services are fucked and afaik most are registered charities and/ or rely on funding from various sources. Both those things come with strings attached. Being inclusive is one. Councils and other funding sources have started their terms- must be inclusionary. Charities are public. All these services are under attack, most have had to comply with funding terms. The sector has been cut to the bone. And councils are moving to big orgs who know fuck all, to provide generic services.

This is absolutely true. The women's services in my area are fucked. There is a specialist trans service (excellent) and a women's service staffed by and used by trans women.

I can definitely see why it is needed. However I think it is okay to question Posie's approach and motivation rather than blindly cheerlead her.

Veering back in lane, excellent

@NiceGerbil

This thread is bizarre.

1. No one has to give any money. If they want to then they can. Most women donate a few quid here and there. What's the issue? It's not like anyone's saying sell your house. It's not an MLM. And there's not a one donation a year rule.

Telling adult women what things they may or may not spend their money on is. Well. Not very feminist is it

I don't see anyone telling you not to give money to Posie. Please point me to it if I've missed it? You can spend your money on what you like.

We're asking questions about Posie's ability to pull this off, her ignorance of the sector and whether she has a workable plan or just a vague intent. Not the same thing.

I can't understand this thread tbh.

No it's not a kick in the teeth for anyone.

Yes women can donate as they wish and are capable of supporting more than one thing.

The ability of Posie to get publicity is not in question. If the point of this is to get news inches about why she feels it needs doing, and therefore let loads of people know that these services in general have been forced to expand their remit so they can get funded. Then that can only be good.

On this topic. She's not said what the plan is for the money. I have my suspicions but I have no actual idea. I doubt very much that Posie has time or inclination to run it personally. The assumption that she will ??? BAD is just based on not liking her I think.

Whatever is done will need to not be a charity and not seek public funding and probably be word of mouth. Anything else is attacked. Pressured. Etc etc

There have been I think 2 suggestions to donate to, for female only services.

Two. There are what 30 million women in the UK.

All the well known services have had to open up in various ways, and smaller longstanding ones are having funding pulled to cut costs.

I don't understand this thread.

'We're asking questions about Posie's ability to pull this off, her ignorance of the sector and whether she has a workable plan or just a vague intent. Not the same thing.'

Well why don't you ask her then.

@NiceGerbil if not a charity what legal structure would it take?

This thread is about Posie bashing, for a number of reasons, it would seem.

Not clear on all the motivations but jealousy, historical resentments, and subterfuge seem to me to be right up there with the various Posie bashers on here

I was just checking, she's on linked in.

I googled and a Twitter thing came up.

ripx4nutmeg (@ripx4nutmeg) Tweeted:
A trans activist has been calling Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull (Posie Parker) and has threatened to put a 'brick through her head' because she has publicly stated that she doesn't believe a man can become a woman t.co/m2nnTPpkSh twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1376258779386408961?s=20

Nice.

Day in day out. She has been threatened with violence to her children.

Agree with her or not the shit she must get is monumental. And terrifying tbh.

Whatever you think of her. She is putting herself out there and knows what it will bring. And I for one am not as brave as that.

Give or don't give. Whatever.

This business comparing her to... Can't remember. All sorts of bogeymen. She's just one woman. Doing her thing. She's nails IMO. It's impressive.

Why does it need a legal structure, bugger?

Did the early refuges have a legal structure?

No.

If you're in the system then you have to toe the line. That's why there are hardly any female only services left.

I'm not sure some are really getting this.