Posie putting her money where her mouth is. Lets do this.

[Fallingirl]

Posie is planning to re-build the women’s sector, starting with crowd funding for a women-only refuge.

"Let's also talk about those trying to shut down her crowdfunder and their motives and who that benefits.

Yes.

Let's have Jess Philips on the news saying why this is exclusionary and have Shonagh tell us how existing refuges aren't ready to join the fight.

Yes.

Let's hear it. Let's hear it all.

Yes in full dolby surround sound*"

Ok. No one has done more over the last couple of years than Shonagh and Karen to demand other women stand up and speak out. They have also put pressure on umbrella orgs constantly. Shonagh has spoken about it and written about it and challenged.... even though those are women she respects and likes and her sisters in the movement. I think some people on this thread don't understand the sector in their eagerness to support the woman lashing out at the women's movement who clearly hasn't done any or any adequate research. Shooting from the hip as usual. Shooting at women working for women. It's tiresome at best.*

Shonagh says that many organisations are frightened to speak out. If they are providing single sex spaces, they're doing it quietly, they don't want to draw attention to themselves in case they're targeted.

And everybody understands that tactic. It's a primary means of control.

Posie's forte is publicity, and drawing attention to the censorship and intimidation of women.

She is now drawing attention to the acquisition of such a space and is publicly and loudly making it single sex.

If she pulls it off, I'm still not sure how that is framed as a disadvantage.

Poise is an outrider, a disrupter. She makes it possible for other women to stand up and speak out. She shifts the Overton Window as others have pointed out. She's not perfect, but she's a marketing genius and her "adult human female" slogan campaign has done a huge amount to publicise the absurdity of gender ideology. If this step means others feel emboldened to do the same in future how can it be a bad thing? She's an agent for change.

I agree Posie shoots from the hip and that sometimes she misses. But - and at the risk of straining the analogy - even when she misfires, it makes a noise. And if some people hear the noise and go, 'What's that? Organisations daren't say in public that they're only for women, what the actual fuck?' then good.

I don't understand this level of hostility and anger. Well maybe I do.

@Datun

Shonagh says that many organisations are frightened to speak out. If they are providing single sex spaces, they're doing it quietly, they don't want to draw attention to themselves in case they're targeted.

And everybody understands that tactic. It's a primary means of control.

Posie's forte is publicity, and drawing attention to the censorship and intimidation of women.

She is now drawing attention to the acquisition of such a space and is publicly and loudly making it single sex.

If she pulls it off, I'm still not sure how that is framed as a disadvantage.

Can you see how Posie launching into this by insulting & undermining those already fighting for women from within the sector plus spreading false information is ringing massive warning bells for many of those who are already campaigning in this area?

I'm curious, now it's been pointed out her video is an attack on these women and displays her ignorance of what's going on on the ground , is it obvious to you too or do you maybe think I'm just imagining it?

She is now drawing attention to the acquisition of such a space and is publicly and loudly making it single sex.

And she is raising a pot of funds that can be used without conditions of allowing access to males. Unconditional funds.

@howtocomplain it's obvious. It's always been obvious .

Can you see how Posie launching into this by insulting & undermining those already fighting for women from within the sector plus spreading false information is ringing massive warning bells for many of those who are already campaigning in this area?

Can you tell me what warning bells it's ringing? It appears to be that people just think this is The Posie Show. Is that it?

Can you see how Posie launching into this by insulting & undermining those already fighting for women from within the sector plus spreading false information is ringing massive warning bells for many of those who are already campaigning in this area

No, I don't think it's insulting and I don't think she is spreading false information. The majority of formerly women only refuges are no longer for women only. I said said earlier I have looked into this myself independently and reach the same conclusions as Posie. Women only refuges are needed and councils aren't allowing them to be provided.

I'm curious, now it's been pointed out her video is an attack on these women and displays her ignorance of what's going on on the ground , is it obvious to you too or do you maybe think I'm just imagining it?

Yes, I think you're just imagine it.

I'm curious, now it's been pointed out her video is an attack on these women and displays her ignorance of what's going on on the ground , is it obvious to you too or do you maybe think I'm just imagining it?

Maybe it's because I'm not part of it, but I don't see it as an attack on anyone. I see it as frustration.

Frankly, I've never seen a woman more frustrated than Posie.

Talking about Daniel Radcliffe, talking about a lib fem group who didn't get it, talking about the parents of trans children in America, it comes out of her ears like steam.

This isn't my area of expertise but I do know how it feels when you've been working your arse off for years trying to make something happen, and when - sometimes just you feel you might be starting to make headway - someone strides in shooting their mouth off and grabbing the headlines. It's humiliating and it's infuriating, I get that and I'm sure lots of women will get that too.

But you know sometimes, that person shooting their mouth off has seen something you've missed. Sometimes they can make something happen that you can't.

@Floisme

This isn't my area of expertise but I do know how it feels when you've been working your arse off for years trying to make something happen, and when - sometimes just you feel you might be starting to make headway - someone strides in shooting their mouth off and grabbing the headlines. It's humiliating and it's infuriating, I get that and I'm sure lots of women will get that too.

But you know sometimes, that person shooting their mouth off has seen something you've missed. Sometimes they can make something happen that you can't.

That's a good summary.

I would like to see clear information about the refuges that are standing up against the ”must include everyone” ideology. I think we can support those that are already doing this and new initiatives as well. This not disrespecting women in the sector already doing this but except for at a very local level, it is hard to know which does what ...probably for the reasons outlined above.

@Thecatonthemat

I would like to see clear information about the refuges that are standing up against the ”must include everyone” ideology. I think we can support those that are already doing this and new initiatives as well. This not disrespecting women in the sector already doing this but except for at a very local level, it is hard to know which does what ...probably for the reasons outlined above.

From what I can gather, they are too scared. And so we're back to square one. It's just a never ending, er, circle.

Posie is in the fortunate position that she is not, currently, running an organisation that has anything to lose.

Everything she does is furthered by the attempts to intimidate her. Because she's all about highlighting the intimidation.

As a marketing strategy, it's genius.

There's room for other women to set up services for women. And plenty of experts in the field that can advise and support her with this.

Posie is loud and by her actions has shone a light onto something I doubt most members of the wider public are aware of, I would hazard a guess that the majority of the public wrongly believe that DV Shelters for Women fleeing abuse are for women only. They are not, they are in scarce supply and diminishing at an alarming rate.

I too understand the frustration for those on the inside who have been fighting this, but let's face the truth here it's not working, is it? The rot has not been stopped, it's marching ever onwards.

When working behind the scenes quietly and diligently reaps no rewards as is the case here, then making a lot of noise and disrupting the field is a perfectly viable option.

Posie appeals to people like me who do not really have any feminist credentials but have realised that the rights we have taken for granted are under attack and that we need to help fight back. I appreciate everything that anyone fighting this does not matter who they are and I am now in a fortunate position to be able to donate to the many causes. So that's what I will continue to do hoping to make a difference.

@RedDogsBeg

Posie is loud and by her actions has shone a light onto something I doubt most members of the wider public are aware of, I would hazard a guess that the majority of the public wrongly believe that DV Shelters for Women fleeing abuse are for women only. They are not, they are in scarce supply and diminishing at an alarming rate.

I too understand the frustration for those on the inside who have been fighting this, but let's face the truth here it's not working, is it? The rot has not been stopped, it's marching ever onwards.

When working behind the scenes quietly and diligently reaps no rewards as is the case here, then making a lot of noise and disrupting the field is a perfectly viable option.

It's depressing to see women claiming that others with different views must not express them as it's disrespectful to those still working in this increasingly captured area. In the light of the wholesale removal of women's rights, language and resources it's unbelievable to see such nitpicking and whining about another woman with a different approach.

@RedDogsBeg are you serious? You think no one has been making noise about this until the rich woman in the studio starts spreading her disinformation? She's dangerous. Telling abused women there is nowhere for them to go is

1. Nonsense.
2. Likely to make them stay where they are.

They don't give a shit about PP and her latest crusade. They need help and information and women only space with trauma informed counselling provided by women. If they call a helpline in the middle of the night these women already working ridiculously hard will move heaven and earth to get them in somewhere and if they can't they often have emergency plans such as hotel rooms on a temporary basis. Of course .... it seems Posie "we built this movement on our blood and sweat and tears" doesn't seem to know this. Because she's only just turned the lens on to domestic abuse from her lovely studio whilst some of us have been living it. As Shonagh Dillon's PHD proves overwhelmingly .... women in the sector do NOT support trans women in those spaces

But you know sometimes, that person shooting their mouth off has seen something you've missed. Sometimes they can make something happen that you can't.

This. It is has been said many times already on this thread. She has nothing to lose. Her collecting funds in a pot, will not mean that other organisations and women who cannot be loud about it are revealed.

Sometimes, those having to toe the line to maintain contacts and do the work they need, simply cannot make a loud stand. But she can. And if she fails to get traction, she is someone outside the sector anyway.

It's depressing to see women claiming that others with different views must not express them as it's disrespectful to those still working in this increasingly captured area.
In the light of the wholesale removal of women's rights, language and resources it's unbelievable to see such nitpicking and whining about another woman with a different approach.

I agree, it's very much a do as we say and do approach, don't rock the boat. Imo it's high time the boat was rocked and rocked forcefully, trying to quietly change things from the inside has resulted in things changing all right but in the wrong direction, you only need to watch that Parliamentary Committee for evidence of that. Karen Ingala-Smith was the only one out of the three there who work in the VAWG sector who was bravely holding the line so two against one and then you have the captured numpties on the committee and what, if any, progress has been made since then?

Whatever Posie says or does seems to bring out the self-appointed gatekeepers of feminism.

It's sad how many feminists seem to think they have the right to tell other women at they're the wrong kind of feminist/ woman. Feminism is for ALL women, not just the women you like.

women in the sector do NOT support trans women in those spaces

and yet transwomen are in those spaces.

What has been achieved working quietly behind the scenes to stop this? Two of the people who appeared before the Parliamentary Committee admitted TW into those spaces and defended that policy.

There's room for other women to set up services for women. And plenty of experts in the field that can advise and support her with this.

This.

There is plenty of room, we're not overwhelmed with services for women. And if the service turns out to be so unused and unnecessary that its redundant, well that's helpful to know too.

But the immediate hostility towards a female only service being provided alongside now a heavy centrally funded swing to mixed sex women's provisions is not because those opposing it believe it is neither needed nor will be used. It's because it risks illustrating quite the opposite.

There is plenty of room, we're not overwhelmed with services for women.

No, indeed we're seeing organisations like Rise in Brighton lose funding (£5million indeed) because it is not gender-neutral enough. This is despite falling over backwards to be LGBTQ inclusive. 26 years of women's hard work swept away in the onward march of this ridiculous ideology. It's wonderful that there are still many, many, dedicated women working behind the scenes, but it's not enough. In the public arena, it's not enough to prevent this sort of thing happening.