School Video. Words just can’t convey...

[ConcreteUnderpants]

For all those who PM’ed and wanted me to put it on its own thread.
Here you go.

This is the video my year 6 watched at school (without any consultation with parents)
I’m just speechless.

They were also told about Robert/a Cowell and puberty blockers were mentioned, although I’m not sure of those details.

Head and deputy are the safeguarding leads at the school, so where do I start with the Governors? Overwhelmed.

I have no problem at all with videos akin to this one. It's not about us; it's about accepting others for who they are.

Absolutely accept others for who they are. Also, alongside that, as adults, we need to be mindful of abusive and grooming tactics and ensure are children are safe from this. It's a safeguarding issue. And this video is provides innacurate facts in order to groom children.

Also they assign sex. That baby has male genitalia he is a boy. I’m baffled, what would they prefer? A fucking pelican

There’s so much to discuss but my last brain cells are dying off.

@waitingforthenextseason
'My youngest was in year 6 last year. They had classmates who identified as gay, gender neutral and trans. .... I'm proud of my daughter and her classmates for rolling with it and treating their classmates as individuals, not labels.'

Those are labels. Prepubescent children shouldn't feel the need to put themselves into restrictive boxes based on what they enjoy doing. Sexuality is not the same as gender identity; one is immutable, the other is a political belief.

@andyoldlabour

I went on to Youtube to have a look at the comments. I should have known - Comments disabled. Of course they have, we can't have anything disturb the echo chamber.

No, wrong on that one. The comments are disabled because this is on you tube kids. The you tube app that is kid friendly. No comments are allowed on any you tube kids video.

Of course children should be taught to treat people with respect - but you can do that without a cutesy video that conflates sex with gender, tells children ‘gender’ is ‘assigned’ by a doctor.

If the sex is not known before birth (increasingly unlikely), good practice these days is for the new parents to simply see what sex the baby is, without being told by the HCP. Imagine! The parents know at a glance without having to wait to be told by an ‘assigner’.

Whatever. The HCP has literally no impact on the gender of the baby.

Blaming a doctor for the wrong assigned gender. That I do not agree with. It's biology not a mistake. If they had left that bit out and said sometimes people want to make the decision themselves to change gender then it would have been better.

Being 'straight' is also a label. But that's assumed and 'acceptable' to you I imagine.

The schools are doing the right thing by discussing these things since it's clear many families won't in a positive, supportive manner.

My youngest was in year 6 last year. They had classmates who identified as gay, gender neutral and trans. It is ultra important that these things are discussed openly and in an accepting manner, and her school did brilliantly. Everyone was very accepting of everyone and continue to do so in their Year 7 cohort. I'm proud of my daughter and her classmates for rolling with it and treating their classmates as individuals, not labels.

Genuinely not trying to be argumentative, but surely in Year 6 all those things are absolutely nothing but labels? Why would a 10 or 11 year old want to call themselves 'gender neutral"? What does that mean for a child that age? Just that they don't fall entirely into the pink-sparkles-ponies camp or the football-xbox-fortnite camp? Surely that's just kids with personalities? If kids weren't being fed gender bollocks in school and online they wouldn't need to even think about giving themselves a label for that.

Does it not worry you wait that in order to be "supportive" as you put it you have to lie?

Sex is observed at birth. Gender is not assigned . Dont you think children deserve the truth? Why is not wanting to lie to children seen as unsupportive?

*My youngest was in year 6 last year. They had classmates who identified as gay, gender neutral and trans. It is ultra important that these things are discussed openly and in an accepting manner, and her school did brilliantly. Everyone was very accepting of everyone and continue to do so in their Year 7 cohort. I'm proud of my daughter and her classmates for rolling with it and treating their classmates as individuals, not labels.

I have no problem at all with videos akin to this one. It's not about us; it's about accepting others for who they are.*

But that's exactly what they are doing- labelling people and putting people into boxes. And I'm sorry but year 6 pre-pubescent children identifying as gender neutral and trans? Why are they not being taught that gender is a social construct, that gender stereotypes are restrictive nonsense? That you can be whoever you want to be and not conform to gender stereotypes but that you cannot change your biological sex. This is all so regressive, it's dangerous.

Thank goodness that teachers like you and your colleagues still exist @Benjispruce3

But increasingly We teach PSHE and we teach that families can take many shapes such as two mummies/daddies etc is something I think I would prefer to handle at home. I want my DC's school to handle the stuff I can't (maths) and lead on the stuff I don't do so well at (phonics). If schools, any school, are taking this sort of video and showing it to my kid then it makes me rethink whether their values align with mine and my family values. Gender ideology in schools eroded trust.

(My kid knows you need a mummy and a daddy to make a baby but there is a range of how families are made, who is in them and who looks after children may not be a parent.)

Being 'straight' is also a label. But that's assumed and 'acceptable' to you I imagine.

It's not labels of sexuality or gender that are being imposed on a baby. A baby is either male, female or in a tiny amount of cases, intersex. Those are the assigned biological characteristics. This is just a fact in the same way that most people are born with two arms and legs and only one head, even if some aren't.

What schools should really have a drive to improve aural & reading comprehension, since so many adults in this post don't seem to understand what's being said.

I don't get why there are PP saying that the existence of LGB and T people should be talked about to and accepted by children. That's self evident. But that's not the issue here. The issue here is that this video is lying to children and spouting factually inaccurate information as accurate. A bit like saying the Sun revolvers around the Earth. It just doesn't. No matter how loud and how often you say or who says it.

What schools should really have is* a drive

@waitingforthenextseason

Being 'straight' is also a label. But that's assumed and 'acceptable' to you I imagine.

The schools are doing the right thing by discussing these things since it's clear many families won't in a positive, supportive manner.

No, I don't think anyone should be talking to year 6 children about their sexuality.

It's absolutely fine to talk about the fact that families come in all different shapes and sizes. Ours is certainly not a conventional one!

But prepubescent children should not be pushed down any path nor should there be talk about sexuality at this age.

I note you've conveniently sidestepped the point about gender identity being a belief rather than a fact.

@yeahbutnaw what do lgb issues, which they absolutely should be taught about as fact, have to do with trans ideology which should only be taught with the side note that it's opinion not fact?

@Artichokeleaves

The DfE have clearly stated it is not acceptable for schools to present biased, political information as the truth, nor allow political lobby groups access to their children, nor to allow them to tell them factual inaccuracies using the trusted platform of school and safe adults so that children assume they are being told the objective truth.

This is the same as any political or religious indoctrination. It is not acceptable to send in the Labour party to train them to vote Labour or the Church of England to explain about there is only one true faith and everyone else who thinks otherwise is wrong.

This has to be reported to the DfE. Repeatedly. And Ofsted. Basic failure of duty of care, and abuse of a position of trust. This is wholly unacceptable.

Yes.

Has anyone sent this video + info that it is being used in UK primary schools to Sunday Times journalists and Spectator's, James Kirkup?

@ShrinkingViolet9 This is not part of every school’s PSHE and from the apologies the other parents got about this video, I think the school realise that they made a huge error.
I will find out more when I have my (back to personal!) meeting with the Head and deputy this week.
Please don’t contact the press before then until I find out the full details.

@waitingforthenextseason

Being 'straight' is also a label. But that's assumed and 'acceptable' to you I imagine.

The schools are doing the right thing by discussing these things since it's clear many families won't in a positive, supportive manner.

I'd never assume a 11 Yr old was straight. They are too young to know their sexuality so putting a label on them is pointless. I think you underestimate how many on this forum are lesbians.

I'm not sidestepping it. If a 11, 12, 13.... year old comes to me and says they feel that they're 'this' as opposed to 'that', then who the hell am I to tell them they can't feel that way and live their life accordingly. They're not hurting anybody else, but we're hurting them to tell them that 'who' they are is who we tell them they must be, not who they feel they are. Even if you'd call it their opinion as opposed to a fact.

they are not too young. Puberty is hitting younger and younger and the accompanying feelings with it.

[quote ConcreteUnderpants]@ShrinkingViolet9 This is not part of every school’s PSHE and from the apologies the other parents got about this video, I think the school realise that they made a huge error.
I will find out more when I have my (back to personal!) meeting with the Head and deputy this week.
Please don’t contact the press before then until I find out the full details.[/quote]
OK.
Good luck with your meeting with the Head.

but we're hurting them to tell them that 'who' they are is who we tell them they must be, not who they feel they are.

Affirming kids and setting them on a pathway to puberty blockers and future cross-sex treatment absolutely harms them. Puberty blockers interferes with the natural workings of the body.

Now, it is arguable in some cases this may be the 'lesser' of two harmful outcomes, the alternative being severe gender dysphoria, but in no way should transition ever be seen as the 'neutral', default position.

This video and queer theory from US east coast colleges are both US imports we can do without in the UK.
let toys be toys. my body is me.

stop harmful US stereotypes. stop telling children doctors got it wrong. stop telling children they can be born in the wrong body. stop transing away the reality of pre-lesbian, pre-gay and gender non conforming children.

I'm not sidestepping it. If a 11, 12, 13.... year old comes to me and says they feel that they're 'this' as opposed to 'that', then who the hell am I to tell them they can't feel that way and live their life accordingly.

There's a big difference between a 13 year old, and Year 6 child (age 10 and 11) which is what you said in your previous post. But rather than telling them anything, I'd be asking what we as a society have done to make children feel their bodies are wrong, or they have to find a label that allows them to opt out of toxic 'gender roles', when we should have been doing everything we can to dismantle the whole bullshit gender ideology.