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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Tonia Antoniazzi MP calls for biological sex of criminals to be accurately recorded

99 replies

TedImgoingmad · 18/05/2021 14:44

Just wow really. Is the tide really turning? Is Labour really listening?

Labour MP for Gower, Tonia Antoniazzi, during the Commons debate on crime and safe streets for all, said:

Data must be accurately sex-disaggregated in order to fully understand the impact of all crimes on women and girls. In order to combat sexism, we need to count sex, and in order to combat discrimination against other groups, there is a need to record separate and additional data. The offending patterns of men and of women show the highest differential of all, so we need to monitor the sex of victims and of perpetrators of all crimes.....

‘I understand that at least 16 regional police forces now record suspects’ sex on the basis of gender identity, following the advice of the National Police Chiefs’ Council. Data based only on self-identified gender does not give accurate data on which to build a violence against women and girls strategy, nor to effectively plan services that support all victims and target all perpetrators whatever their sex or however they identify.

‘If police records are not robust and correctly disaggregated by sex, we end up with unreliable and potentially misleading data in reporting. For example, the BBC asked 45 regional police forces in the UK for data on reported cases of female perpetrators’ child sex abuse from 2015 to 2019. The data received indicated that there was an increase of 84 per cent. Data corruption means that we cannot tell whether this large increase is due to an increase in female offenders or those identifying as women, and that detail matters.

‘Women make up 3 per cent of the arrests for all sexual offences. The number of women convicted for these crimes is so low that the mis-recording of the sex of the perpetrator skews the data very quickly. Where offence categories are very rarely committed by women, the addition of just one or two people can have a significant impact on data. For example, a biological man convicted of attempted murder and other offences at Birmingham Crown court in 2017 was recorded as female, thus falsely elevating the number of females convicted of attempted murder that year in England and Wales by around 20 per cent. We need to know what action the Government will take to ensure correct police record keeping and prevent the potential corruption of data on crimes and their impact on women and girls.’*

Full speech:

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2021-05-17/debates/704EF355-2257-4D67-9F0C-A712E6442227/SafeStreetsForAll#contribution-26BAA3CE-A681-4E28-BFBE-B136CFEC6D4F

James Kirkup's article on the matter in the Spectator:

www.spectator.co.uk/article/mps-are-finally-engaging-with-the-gender-identity-debate

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persistentwoman · 18/05/2021 14:52

That's progress. Sadly I await her being placed on the naughty step alongside Rosie Duffield while Starmer smugly watches as another woman MP is silenced.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/05/2021 14:54

Oh that's brave of her. It shouldn't need to be, but it is.

Cuntryhouse · 18/05/2021 14:56

Great news.

AtrociousCircumstance · 18/05/2021 14:58

Amazing.

Galvantula · 18/05/2021 14:59

Good on her. Hope people listen instead of shouting her down. 💪

JustcameoutGC · 18/05/2021 15:13

Well done that woman. But I am so so so appalled that a) this is happening, and that b) it requires bravery to speak about it in public spheres
#notmycrime

LibertyMole · 18/05/2021 15:22

That is amazing from a Labour MP. If it does get resolved, I hope they go back and correct the previous statistics.

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 18/05/2021 15:34

I cannot believe this actually needs to be said.

BethnalGreenBambinos · 18/05/2021 15:37

I'm getting my pack of thank you cards out for that I think.

persistentwoman · 18/05/2021 15:43

BethnalGreenBambinos

Good idea BethnalGreenBambinos Unbelievable that this even has to be said but ...here we are. Sad

PaleBlueMoonlight · 18/05/2021 15:45

That is great. So clear. Was there any response?

JustcameoutGC · 18/05/2021 15:55

If anyone wants to drop her a line to say thanks / well done / ignore the hate her e mail address is this [email protected]

Thecatonthemat · 18/05/2021 15:55

Email sent thanking her. This is almost unbelievable but I do think things are being challenged on all sides now. Next i long for the repeal of the GRA and abolition of the GRC and the ability to lie about ones actual sex.

TedImgoingmad · 18/05/2021 15:57

@BethnalGreenBambinos

I'm getting my pack of thank you cards out for that I think.
Oh good idea. I do not trust Labour as an entity one iota, but individual MPs, especially the female ones, need support.
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heathspeedwell · 18/05/2021 16:03

She's worded it so clearly and succinctly that surely no-one can disagree with her.

This really should make people stop and think: "For example, a biological man convicted of attempted murder and other offences at Birmingham Crown court in 2017 was recorded as female, thus falsely elevating the number of females convicted of attempted murder that year in England and Wales by around 20 per cent."

TedImgoingmad · 18/05/2021 16:05

@PaleBlueMoonlight

That is great. So clear. Was there any response?
I believe these were speeches following the Queen opening Parliament and the forthcoming Parliamentary agenda.

Scrolling down the David Lammy MP, he touches on Labour's proposed Green Paper on violence against women:

Victims’ rights need to be further up the Secretary of State’s list of priorities. That is why today we published a Green Paper on ending the epidemic of violence against women and girls. We plan to make misogyny a hate crime—will the Secretary of State do it? We will increase sentences for rapists and stalkers—will he do it? We will create new, specific offences for sexual harassment and sex for rent—will he do it? We will reverse the Government’s record low conviction rates for rape—will he do it? We will remove legal barriers that prevent victims of domestic abuse from getting help when they need it through legal aid—will he give legal aid back to those who have suffered domestic abuse? We will bring in new custodial sentences for those who name victims of rape and sexual assault. We will train teachers to help identify, respond to and support child victims of domestic abuse. We will repeal the rape clause for social security claims and introduce binding national indicators to hold the Government to account. That is a comprehensive plan.

My question to the Government is simple. Violence against women and girls is a stain on our society. We cannot wait to act anymore. Will the Government work with us to implement our Bill and end this brutality? If they do not, they will force more victims of rape, domestic abuse, assault and violence to give up hope. As Helen Keller said:

“Women have discovered that they cannot rely on men’s chivalry to give them justice.”

Women need legislation. Why will this Secretary of State not act?

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Apileofballyhoo · 18/05/2021 16:07

I hope she doesn't get fucked over for stating the obvious.

ethelredonagoodday · 18/05/2021 16:12

Ridiculous that it even needs to be said, but I am grateful to her for doing so.

andyoldlabour · 18/05/2021 16:13

Blimey, that is good, she is very brave. I hope the right people take notice of her.

picklemewalnuts · 18/05/2021 16:14

Oooh. .

Is there a shift? i do hope so.

kitkatsky · 18/05/2021 16:20

Tonia used to be my MP before I moved. She's awesome!

Scrawlit · 18/05/2021 16:33

That is brilliant, so clearly expressed.

UtopiaPlanitia · 18/05/2021 16:34

I sent a quick email to thank her for raising this issue in the House and asked her to work with other MPs on ensuring that public and government bodies collect accurate sex-disaggregated data on which to base policy and legislation. I’m not a constituent so I’m not expecting a reply but I thought she deserved some acknowledgment for speaking up on this important issue.

Shedbuilder · 18/05/2021 16:38

I have friends who live in her constituency and report that she is, indeed, an awesome woman. She used to play rugby for Wales — not a woman to be trifled with. I just hope she has a bunch of Labour women around her to watch her back. She made her points really succinctly and in a way no rational person could argue with. I'm hoping that this, and Graham Linehan's campaign to have people's sex accurately reported in the news and newspapers will really see this turn around.

Thecatonthemat · 18/05/2021 16:45

email bounced . Anyone else have that problem?