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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Who here would have voted for Sadiq as London Mayor if he supported single sex spaces for Londoners?

78 replies

Lumene · 07/05/2021 17:00

I certainly would, and would have really liked to vote for him but just couldn’t do it given how he has approached this issue - ie avoided even discussing the impact on women.

It’s looking close very surprisingly between him and the Tory candidate,

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Lumene · 07/05/2021 17:01

,so wondering how much of an impact this issue has had on his numbers:

mobile.twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1390696628621922304

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EndTable · 07/05/2021 17:09

I'm not in London anymore, but if I was Sadiq Khan would have lost my vote to Count Binface. If SK knew what a woman was, he'd have kept it (voted for him last time and am generally a fan)

toffeebutterpopcorn · 07/05/2021 17:11

Nope - that was definitely the cherry on the cake for me though.

crossparsley · 07/05/2021 17:14

Me. Binface got my first vote, And Sadiq did not get my second. He’ll probably win anyway but at least I know he can’t take us all for granted.

Lottapianos · 07/05/2021 17:15

Yes I would have voted for him if he gave a shit about women

sashagabadon · 07/05/2021 17:16

Is it really that close?!
I voted for Bailey as I am not a Khan fan but my husband is, but voted Khan second choice after putting bin face first. Apparently he read this as a tactic on Twitter to stop Lawrence fox! I told him he was a Wally and “tactics “ like this always backfire Confused
If Khan supporters have done this in large numbers then this could be the problem for Khan.

alongtimeagoandfaraway · 07/05/2021 17:17

I spoiled my ballot as I couldn’t vote for any of them. The conservative looked the best of the bunch but I couldn’t see how he was going to fund all those promises. If Sadiq was able correctly to define women I’d probably have voted for him.

SmallPug · 07/05/2021 18:17

I probably would have. I did last time.

SmallPug · 07/05/2021 18:18

Do we actually know Binface's stance on women?

Vargas · 07/05/2021 18:29

Me. I voted for him last time, but not this time.

zen1 · 07/05/2021 18:43

I also voted for him last time but not this time. I voted communist party members for the wider London Assembly and spoilt my paper for the local London assembly members.

Empressofthemundane · 07/05/2021 18:52

I might have. I just crossed him off my list and quit considering after the trans thing.

@sashagabadon is there really any possibility that Lawrence Fox could win? I assumed he was just another no hoper making his point.

persistentwoman · 07/05/2021 19:08

Won't vote for creepy men who insist that women have no right to boundaries - ever.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 07/05/2021 19:40

Crikey I’ve just seen the voting - Shaun Bailey is ahead by about 2%. The idiot greens are 3rd at the moment (have people not watched their antics?).

N4ish · 07/05/2021 19:48

It’s really not close at all. These are only the first votes coming in from mostly Tory boroughs. Khan will definitely win, maybe without even needing to go to a second round.

doubleshotespresso · 07/05/2021 19:53

Nope. He's destroyed the livelihoods of black taxi drivers and their families, encouraged the farce that is Uber , destroyed local neighbourhood via his ludicrous cycle lanes, LTN's and made central London inaccessible via his nonsense and greed via the congestion charge.
Then there's the other shady financial dealings and general incompetence, obscene neglect of disabled, the list for not voting for him is endless!

oystercatcher44 · 07/05/2021 19:57

Such a pity that Rory Stewart decided not to run.

BlackLambAndGreyFalcoln · 07/05/2021 19:59

Not unless he also reversed his approval for the silvertown tunnel.

I wouldn't read too much into the results so far - they are in traditional tory strongholds. My area, which is very much a labour stronghold, won't even start counting until tomorrow morning.

sashagabadon · 07/05/2021 20:02

@Empressofthemundane

I might have. I just crossed him off my list and quit considering after the trans thing.

@sashagabadon is there really any possibility that Lawrence Fox could win? I assumed he was just another no hoper making his point.

No chance fox can win. Just some Twitter game to get him to come last I think by voting Khan second. Anyway, I think it’s gonna backfire on Khan supporters as these things always do!
CherieBabySpliffUp · 07/05/2021 20:16

He's nearly 60,000 behind Shaun Bailey at the moment Shock
I voted for the SDP purely because of their policy on single-sex spaces etc.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 07/05/2021 20:50

He’s 10k behind now. Who are the 66k clowns who voted for greens??

Blibbyblobby · 07/05/2021 20:51

Me. I absolutely would have voted for him apart from that.

Up until now I've voted Labour against my own self interest because I think Tories and austerity are a busted ideology that's bad for most people in the country even if they are good for me personally. But I can't vote for a party that pretends a lifetime's experience of living as a woman in the world has no more authority about womanhood than the imaginary life of a woman lived in the mind of a man.

Last night I was very tempted not to vote at all, because other than Tory, any vote for a party that acknowledges sex matters regardless of gender would be a vote for a minority party so what's the point?

But then I thought of the female people who suffered unescapable structural, cultural and legal belittlement, restriction and oppression because of the sex of the body they were born in (something a trans woman will never suffer). They fought so hard for the right of all the people with bodies like theirs to vote (something that their trans woman contemporaries, were there any, already had simply by virtue of their male birth sex).

And I thought no fucking way can I not vote. No fucking way am I letting the entitled delusions of a few selfish males stop me using the power those women fought for me to have.

And no fucking way am I using that power to support someone who can't see that female people should be able to define for themselves what being a woman is, to speak about their own experience of having a female body without being censured and censored, and to decide for themselves who they assemble with and who they don't.

My vote may not make a difference, but if I don't vote I am giving up responsibility and handing it to people I don't believe in anyway.

It's not neutral not to vote, it's saying you don't even care enough to lose.

So I went through the candidate lists to find the least worst, with anyone parroting TWAW instantly rejected.

And that's how Sadiq lost my vote.

BlackLambAndGreyFalcoln · 07/05/2021 21:17

@toffeebutterpopcorn

He’s 10k behind now. Who are the 66k clowns who voted for greens??
Me for some of my votes. I live very close to a main road which will have substantially increased congestion due to the Silvertown tunnel (as approved by Khan and supported by Bailey). This is supported by TFLs own maps on increased congestioned if the tunnel is built. I live about 3 miles away from where Ella Roberta Adoo-Kissi-Debrah lived - a 9 year old girl who has the distinction of being the first person in the UK to have air pollution as a cause of death on her death certificate.

In the absence of any GC candidates amongst the main candidates I decided that my choice was to either spoil my vote or vote on the one local issue which if went ahead would have a vastly negative impact on mine and my families life - the silvertown tunnel. I therefore split my vote between parties and candidates who were against the tunnel and I am pleased to have had the opportunity of voting Green in my constituency election for the mother of Ella Roberta Adoo-Kissi-Debrah whose tenacity in campaigning for justice for her daughter I much admire and who has been a stalwart campaigner against the tunnel.

The results that have been declared so far are in traditional tory strongholds. My area (traditionally very strong for labour) and others don't even start counting until tomorrow morning.

Tabasco007 · 07/05/2021 21:20

I would have l, but didn't. I went SDP , as couldn't bare to not vote

MsFogi · 07/05/2021 21:32

I spoilt my ballot. The day we get a candidate who is absolutely clear and unequivocal that biology is important in defining women and that sex matters they will get my vote (assuming they are not anti-abortion).

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