Britain's youngest trans child

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Article in daily fail (sorry)

4 year old female twin says she is a boy (like her twin brother) and expresses interest in firefighters & police officers & doesn't like pigtails.

So the parents are transitioning their 4 year old and saying they have grown up conversations about gender with them.

Sigh.

The words 'bandwagon and 'jumping on' spring to mind
Couldn't even finish that article
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@RubaDubMum89

If a 4 year old said they were a dog, you wouldn't put a bowl of dog food on the floor for them to eat. I fail to see how this is any different. Wtf is wrong with folk?

Ds used to pretend to be a dog when he was very little. We used to have conversations in ‘dog’. Of course he didn’t think he was a dog - but was adamant that he was going to be a motorcycle policeman with a police dog.

What about the other children

In this case the other children will be boys........and a natal girl, I suspect, would be quite a bit more vulnerable in such situations. That's not to say that boys and men do not ever require the dignity and privacy of their sex, too.

Ds would have had a stroke. He has always had a ‘thing’ about people ‘you’re not santa!’ ‘You’re not Noddy!’ ‘You’re not Charles Dickens!’
(Natural history museum).

He’d be in the corner of shame on day 1...

I had this on and off for about two years with my child telling me he wants to be a girl. It was because he preferred “girl” games and liked his hair long and some of the other kite kept telling him it wasn’t for boys. I just used to say oh do you and boys can do that too and encouraged him to play with what he wanted to and dress how he wanted. He’s now not like that anymore and his interests are different. It’s just something children go through sometimes doesn’t mean they are trans

Just means they are kids.

@Witchesbelazy

I had this on and off for about two years with my child telling me he wants to be a girl. It was because he preferred “girl” games and liked his hair long and some of the other kite kept telling him it wasn’t for boys. I just used to say oh do you and boys can do that too and encouraged him to play with what he wanted to and dress how he wanted. He’s now not like that anymore and his interests are different. It’s just something children go through sometimes doesn’t mean they are trans

This is exactly how it should be..

My son was utterly convinced he was going to grow up to be superman at that age. Would ponder where he would find a radioactive spider.

When I was growing up gendered expectations were something to fight against, to subvert. How on earth did we get to the point where they were seen as biological, its so confused. Of course the little girl wants to be like her brother, why wouldn't she, 'girly' stuff is rubbish.

The father states the child has mentioned they are non binary, seriously where would a 4 year old have head this phrase? Most adults still don't really understand it.
Abuse by parents amd stating that he had a 4 year olds permission to share is bull. A 4 year can't give permission for this. What the hell is wrong with people. Let the child be whoom ever they want need to be, but stop feeding them drivel they can't understand and putting it in public for all to see.

This actually quite scares me. I'm too old for this world.

@browsin

This actually quite scares me. I'm too old for this world.

Same here.

'How to fuck up your child in one easy step'.

I have a DD who isn’t a fan of dresses, princesses or looking pretty. She just wants to be comfortable, and frilly dresses and long hair that hurts to brush are uncomfortable.

I also have a DS. His big sister put him in a dress and he loved it- because it was brightly coloured and more comfy than jeans.

I dunno... seems there’s an awful lot of adults out there who forget that physical comfort and being able to have fun and pursue your own interests is a much bigger deal to children than some navel gazing concept of gender identity.

@EachDubh

The father states the child has mentioned they are non binary, seriously where would a 4 year old have head this phrase? Most adults still don't really understand it. Abuse by parents amd stating that he had a 4 year olds permission to share is bull. A 4 year can't give permission for this. What the hell is wrong with people. Let the child be whoom ever they want need to be, but stop feeding them drivel they can't understand and putting it in public for all to see.

Abuse can take many forms. I can see this child posting in the Stately Homes thread in 20 years from now.

I was in primary 2 when I was 4, and I remember being that age quite clearly. Thank goodness my parents didn’t take action on my aspirations to become a witch.

Some may say that I did...

@browsin

This actually quite scares me. I'm too old for this world.

God me too. I don't want to do this any more

@toffeebutterpopcorn

I was in primary 2 when I was 4, and I remember being that age quite clearly. Thank goodness my parents didn’t take action on my aspirations to become a witch.

Some may say that I did...

Winning post, I think!

When I was younger, and more immature (silly me)... I wanted to be a big bear (so that I could bite peoples heads off and eat them).

I always has a very active imagination.

I teach a few teenagers who are transitioning and my colleagues and I often comment is it because their role models are social media are so gender rigid? I was a teen in the 90s. Baggy T-shirt’s, jeans and Docs was all we wore (and I still do). We just dressed for comfort and what could easily be taken off to have a wee at a festival! I rarely see boys with long hair or grungy girls.

DH and I still haven’t left the 90s 😆 Neither of us care about image in an aesthetic way. We’re both into fitness but that’s about health. This attitude has passed onto our kids. They wear what is comfortable. DD (9) plays football for a team but she also goes to dance class and Brownies too. DS also plays football but he’s very happy painting. Hobbies and interests are just that - I’m sure some people would call my DD a tomboy and DS ‘sensitive’. They are just them.

80s teen here - men’s jeans, men’s dms, men’s braces, shaved hair... called ‘son’ on a few occasions (which amused me because I was very busty). Otherwise I’d wear ball gowns.... or some very cute tailored (and hand made) 1950s dress suits (and accessories). Oh and my dads old suit jackets/overcoats that he had made in the 50s.

Ah yes, the 80s was a time to play. Now fashion and style is so bloody serous.

I wasn’t a boy
I wasn’t a 1950s housewife
I wasn’t my dad
I wasn’t a 1950s Italian soldier
I wasn’t going to a ball
Sadly I wasn’t Annie Lennox either...

God all of you lot sitting in judgement on these parents and the child, without knowing the situation.

How about let them be parents, and let their child have the freedom to explore. Play with toys they want, dress how they want. Or be a child without such patriarchal boundaries being enforced.

I think its lovely. Children can be children and find their own way over time.

I do love gender diverse people - it is awesome as it messes around with the patriarchy and society structures which are just constructions. That breaks down boundaries moreso than GC conservatism enforcing out dated norms using fear based rhetoric. Bravo!

@MishyJDI

God all of you lot sitting in judgement on these parents and the child, without knowing the situation.

How about let them be parents, and let their child have the freedom to explore. Play with toys they want, dress how they want. Or be a child without such patriarchal boundaries being enforced.

I think its lovely. Children can be children and find their own way over time.

I do love gender diverse people - it is awesome as it messes around with the patriarchy and society structures which are just constructions. That breaks down boundaries moreso than GC conservatism enforcing out dated norms using fear based rhetoric. Bravo!

But that's the opposite of what the parents are doing. They are enforcing gender ideologies by accepting that as their child likes fire engines, which they see as aligning with boys interests, they are happy to push the notion that she must be a boy. Why not teach the child that girls can like what they want, they can hate dresses, like short hair and dinosaurs and whatever the fuck else is deemed to be 'boys things', whilst not rejecting their biology?

@MishyJDI

God all of you lot sitting in judgement on these parents and the child, without knowing the situation.

How about let them be parents, and let their child have the freedom to explore. Play with toys they want, dress how they want. Or be a child without such patriarchal boundaries being enforced.

I think its lovely. Children can be children and find their own way over time.

I do love gender diverse people - it is awesome as it messes around with the patriarchy and society structures which are just constructions. That breaks down boundaries moreso than GC conservatism enforcing out dated norms using fear based rhetoric. Bravo!

But...that isn’t what they doing

The little girl doesn’t like dresses and pigtails, so they have said she must be a boy

Talk about gender stereotypes

@MishyJDI

God all of you lot sitting in judgement on these parents and the child, without knowing the situation.

How about let them be parents, and let their child have the freedom to explore. Play with toys they want, dress how they want. Or be a child without such patriarchal boundaries being enforced.

I think its lovely. Children can be children and find their own way over time.

I do love gender diverse people - it is awesome as it messes around with the patriarchy and society structures which are just constructions. That breaks down boundaries moreso than GC conservatism enforcing out dated norms using fear based rhetoric. Bravo!

Firstly, these parents have chosen to publicise their decisions and their children's lives in the Daily Mail and Mail Online. They are actively seeking attention and discussion.

Secondly, what parts of people's posts here lead you to believe that gender critical feminists want to preserve and enforce stereotyped gender norms?? Or that gender critical feminists are by definition "conservative"?

The criticism being levelled at these parents is that they are enforcing rigid gender norms onto their children. They are taking completely developmentally normal behaviour and deciding that this is a sign that one of their children is actually the opposite gender to their sex. A girl doesn't want pigtails and is interested in firefighters, therefore she must really be a boy. That's enforcing stereotyped gender norms right there. Everyone posting here is saying that childhood interests and hairstyles are for everyone, not reserved for one sex or the other.

I mean, what the heck do you think being "gender critical" actually means??