Britain's youngest trans child

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Article in daily fail (sorry)

4 year old female twin says she is a boy (like her twin brother) and expresses interest in firefighters & police officers & doesn't like pigtails.

So the parents are transitioning their 4 year old and saying they have grown up conversations about gender with them.

Sigh.

“Mumoftwoinprimary

I have a “trains” child.

When he was 4 he announced that his name was Thomas (as in Tank Engine) and refused to answer to anything else. He also said “choo choo” and “chugga chugga” a lot.

Should I have had his legs amputated and him fitted with wheels instead?“

😄 exactly this.

"We've explained to him and his brother what different genders are, [that] non-binary is a thing and you can be that, but he's said 'I'm not a girl, I think I'm a boy'. He's never been a girl.

"There are times, strange enough, when he says he's non-binary, whether his understanding of that is correct, I don't know, but primarily, nine times out of 10, he'll say he's a boy.”

Given that most adults struggle to get their head around non binary, I’m a bit that a 4 yr old can declare they’re non-binary with any actual meaning.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-trans-boy-4-says-24043638.amp

I recently asked after an acquaintance’s four year old son and was told quite seriously, “ Oh, X has transitioned” and how good his primary school (local, popular state funded) was being about it.

LostToucan a conversation which offers a 4 yr old three choices, "do you want to be a boy, a girl or neither/both" will unsurprisingly have such a result.

R0 when mine were that age one was oppositional and would argue black was white if they thought that would wind me up, and the other was compliant and would say what they thought I’d want to hear.

LostToucan Its part of child development at that age.

Schools have their hands tied here. They can only not reassert the parents' beliefs. Once the child has been indoctrinated like this they have to show 'sensitivity' which most schools will interpret as allowing social transitioning.
The DfE guidance at present only stops them actively encouraging gender ideology and stereotypes. Yet they've washed their hands when they need to be firm, leaving teachers unprotected to challenge nutty parents.

@R0wantrees

LostToucan Its part of child development at that age.

Neither have grown out of it (teens / twenties now)

I should clarify that - any “gender” conversations at a young age in our house would have led to one being bloody minded and one being compliant, and neither being necessarily truthful.

LostToucan
Which came first, defiant or compliant child?

I feel for the child.

They could have said of course you can like these things and have your hair how you want but you’re still a girl.

I think the adults are failing her by indulging in this

R0 the defiant one came first. I’m surprised we had a second one actually. Although I do have to say, the elder one becoming a big brother was a very good thing for him.

@Justhadathought

He claims he has his own concerns about how the youngster will cope in bathrooms or PE changing rooms

I bet he does.......especially as the child nears puberty.

What about the other children?

Not just the parents but GP and nursery have responsibility.
So too does media who run these stories:

Miranda Yardley article:
'Common Threads And Narratives of Transgender Children And What This Means For Our Lesbian And Gay Populations'
POSTED ON 5TH MAY 2017
(extract)
"The following quotes are extracted from a selection of stories on the Daily Mail (British newspaper) website looking at young transgender males (sources are linked at the end of this piece):

They had presumed their prancing, pink-loving son who squirreled away cousins’ girl toys was gay… He wore sweatpants around his head to mimic ponytails and dressed as a princess for Halloween. And he hated boy things – especially his body.[1]

Sources said the youngster had confided in friends that he wanted to be a girl and would put on a bikini to go swimming and use a Barbie towel. He rode to primary school on a pink scooter and wore pink ribbons in his hair.[2]

While Blaine preferred playing with trucks and cars, Keat liked dolls. At school he liked playing dress up with the princess dresses… Keat was so happy in her skin but I dreaded that first day back at school where she would be going back to class with pigtails and a pink backpack.[3]

She grew her hair out, pierced her ears, and wore dresses everywhere – even to kindergarten… growing up Jazz’s bedroom was filled with girly things – pink bed linen, a closet filled with dresses and an ample collection of stuffed animals.[4]

When she chats with people, she introduces herself as, “Hi, I’m Sadie, my favorite color is pink, I’m vegan, and I’m transgender. Who are you?”‘ Sage said.[5]

“I’m wishing for the one I love to find me!” the preschooler would enthusiastically sing into the toilet, copying Snow White, who sings into the echoing wishing well in the animated Disney movie. Six months after her second birthday, her parents say Ryan was drawn to all things pink and sparkly. Ryan, the boy, wore pajama pants on his head, pretending it was long hair, or acted out girl roles from movies.[6]

Danann Tyler, who was born male but now dresses as a little girl and has long hair,… he never had any interest in the toys his elder brother Liam had loved. His sippy cup had to be pink. When a family friend playing dress up put him in a princess gown, he refused to take it off.[7]

The commonality of these narratives is striking, within these seven stories mention is made of the following: a preference for pink (7/7), hair (6/7), princesses and dresses (5/7), ‘toys for girls’ (5/7)." (continues)
mirandayardley.com/en/common-threads-and-narratives-of-transgender-children-and-what-this-means-for-our-lesbian-and-gay-populations/

We, as a society, are moving backwards, aren't we? I grew up in the seventies and I wasn't overly keen on pigtails and 'pretty shoes' myself. What a ridiculous premise to base your child's 'gender' on. Imagine that being the starting point for a life of, first, puberty blockers, then potentially hormone tablets and operations. These parents believe they are doing what's best for their child because their own heads have been turned by gender stereotyping. They claim to be letting their child 'be who they are', when they are in fact shovelling them into a narrowly defined box of what a boy or girl 'should' be.

Thank Christ my parents didn't have a serious talk with me about my gender, but rather let me wear plimsolls and have my hair hanging down in a long, ratty mess (unless I was visiting my granny - then the bloody ribbons came out!)

Might be missing the point but if they are concerned about enrolling for school under the old name why not change it legally?

My youngest DD from less than 2 years has pretty much only worn leggings, no interest in anything else and her favourite colour is blue, though she currently sporting a very bright pink pair of trainers. I could have forced her into dresses and pretty shoes but she would have heavily objected and so I can see that this child felt pushed down a road.

I often think I see one of two parenting styles when it comes to very young children. Either they are very gender orientated or they go completely the other way and gender is never mentioned, yet there is still on over push with toys etc so a boy ends up with only princess dresses for example. They then go to school get told princess dresses are for girls and come to the conclusion they are a girl.

My last bit is messy but I hope readers can understand the point I'm trying to make.

Not just the parents but GP and nursery have responsibility.
So too does media

Agree it’s a fair few adults who are failing the dc

The world is going mad
PS I wanted to be a boy when I was about 4- thought it would be more fun
Lace up shoes and tartan trousers......😄 mum left me to it

[quote Mummyoflittledragon]@Shizuku
You say you were a trans girl tomboy.

What age did you trans?

Can you really not see anything strange or alarming in preschool children identifying as trans?[/quote]
Would it be possible not to turn this discussion into yet another one about Shizuku?

Its always a possibility.

@R0wantrees

LostToucan a conversation which offers a 4 yr old three choices, "do you want to be a boy, a girl or neither/both" will unsurprisingly have such a result.

My children, when they were that age, thought that every question must have an answer. If they didn't know the right answer, they guessed. They tried answering even the nonsensical questions. If I asked, is the sun fizzy, wavy or curly they'd go uh..... fizzy? If I asked an open ended question that meant nothing to them, they'd invent an answer out of thin air, sometimes with nonsense words. At that age they seem to think they SHOULD answer.

Nah, R0
Not even possible

If a 4 year old said they were a dog, you wouldn't put a bowl of dog food on the floor for them to eat. I fail to see how this is any different. Wtf is wrong with folk?