Gareeca Gordon conviction ~ a rare female horror killing?

[CallMeCleo]

I can't remember ever hearing of a woman committing such a crime. I'm shocked, stunned, almost catatonic in disbelief.

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/phoenix-netts-murder-dismembered-gareeca-gordon-jailed-bristol-crown-court-b933139.html

Thank you @EmbarrassingAdmissions

It's a very rare crime for a woman to commit but happens obv.

What this shows up is that the mangling of language and the reporting guidelines have led to plenty of people not trusting reports about crimes that are massively usually committed by men.

On the other hand, many will get the idea (from other cases) that women commit far more sex offences and violent offences than they do, which helps MRA arguments.

15 years ago no one would have questioned the sex of this person based on the crime.

On prison, does Broadmoor still exist? That's mixed isn't it.. Don't know what sort of things you have to have done/ what MH issues etc so don't know whether she might go there.

Just had a look there are 3 high security psychiatric hosps in the UK.

If there's no sign of massive MH probs prob won't go there.

There are some cat 1 women's prisons in England so presumably one of those, where they will be equipped to handle women who are potentially dangerous.

Category a sorry

There has been quite a lot of reporting but she pleaded guilty so there was not a full blown trial to report as such .

Female adult prisoners Edit
Women are also classified into four categories. These categories are:[1]

Restricted Status is similar to Category A for men.

Those whose escape would be highly dangerous to the public or national security. Offences that may result in consideration for Category A or Restricted Status include [Attempted] Murder, Manslaughter, [Attempted] Rape, Sexual Assault, Armed robbery, Wounding with intent, Kidnapping, Importing or supplying Class A controlled drugs, Possessing or supplying explosives, Offences connected with terrorism and Offences under the Official Secrets Act[2]

I think they will find a suitable place.

Perhaps because this is in my local city and I lived in the area for some years, I well remember the horrifying news that such a crime had been committed and the murderer caught almost by accident. As she was caught and charged almost immediately any reporting would have been sub judice before the trial wouldn't it? There seem to have been quite a few similiar cases in that the murderer was identified or confessed very quickly but the case took over a year to have been brought to trial over the past year.

As I said it is local to me. I keep gettingemail notifications of the video of police finding and opening the evidence suitcases from the local news live email notifications. This is something I would never look at and I do wonder what is the point of the police releasing such footage to the news sites and of anyone looking at it? Should this be legally allowed when there is no helping the police or identification issue involved? I was thinking of starting a thread about that point myself but I certainly do not want to explain to anyone who does not already know the details.

The suitcases her body was in? What the hell? No there is zero public interest in seeing that. How horrible for her family.

@NiceGerbil

Just had a look there are 3 high security psychiatric hosps in the UK.

If there's no sign of massive MH probs prob won't go there.

There are some cat 1 women's prisons in England so presumably one of those, where they will be equipped to handle women who are potentially dangerous.

Broadmoor is a high security mental health hospital for male patients only. Rampton, one of the other two high security MH hospitals in England, takes women. My understanding is that personality disorders aren't classified as a mental illness. Grey area, like addiction issues.

@NiceGerbil

The suitcases her body was in? What the hell? No there is zero public interest in seeing that. How horrible for her family.

Yes exactly, I have just sent an email of complaint making that point (I tried not to be too personal about my reaction) and asking why they used the video. Now I am wondering if I can complain to West Midlands Police about the release of the video to news outlets.

Thanks for that info. Not an area I am knowledgeable in!

@NiceGerbil the prison system doesn't need to implement any special measures to deal with a Cat A prisoner, they do it all the time.

Believe me, this crime is horrific but within the prison system where this offender is now held she's not sensational by any means.

If you watch the video from West Midlands Police on their Facebook page fb.watch/5iGnA7EaBI/, you'll hear Gareeca's voice. Definitely a woman. Such a desperately awful case. HMOs with 'support' are a complete scam. Just a money making scheme for landlords.

That's good Denver.

I hope it will have reassured the posters who were concerned about the women they would be in prison with.

Prison is not a nice place but she'll be supervised on a suitable unit, the prisoners aren't just left to fend for themselves and you'd be surprised how different these notorious characters often are once in custody.

The biggest risk is most likely to herself at this stage of her sentence tbh.

@Distractable

If you watch the video from West Midlands Police on their Facebook page fb.watch/5iGnA7EaBI/, you'll hear Gareeca's voice. Definitely a woman. Such a desperately awful case. HMOs with 'support' are a complete scam. Just a money making scheme for landlords.

^^ this. Can’t imagine the fear and pain that Phoenix went through. Shocking crime.

@Shizuku

Utterly horrific.

If she goes to a women's prison, how will the other prisoners be protected from her?

Why would she not go to a woman’s prison?

I assume that shiz has the views I've seen on here before about how prisons should be managed/ the male and female estate etc.

Shiz's posts on mumsnet are invariably about trans people.

@Distractable

If you watch the video from West Midlands Police on their Facebook page fb.watch/5iGnA7EaBI/, you'll hear Gareeca's voice. Definitely a woman. Such a desperately awful case. HMOs with 'support' are a complete scam. Just a money making scheme for landlords.

Distractable, From what I have heard about 'supported accommodation@' , i agree. I just tried to look at the W Midlands Police site to see if there is any way to complain about them basically making a display of Phoenix Netts. For what? Obviously I have my thoughts which I don't want to think. I briefly clicked on the face book link but do not want to see more of the police bigging themselves up so I stopped. Maybe I am naive about how things work in this day and age but them releasing such a video seems to be about them thinking they are in some TV drama? They even comment (on the police media section on their website) how horrific it was for the discovering officers so why show the general public including those who knew and loved Phoenix?

I have always been uneasy about police representatives giving public statements at the conclusion of criminal trials. If there are lessons about avoiding certain crimes or criminals OK that is one thing. Just going over the horrible details? No, it's a vile crime not entertainment.

I started off thinking the way you did but stuck with it. I don't think they were bigging themselves up and I think there is a public interest in knowing how it was investigated, given there was no trial.

MissBarbary, are you responding to me? There was a trial, the murderer pled guilty. Surprisingly I have had a prompt response to my complaint to the news site. To paraphrase: they acknowledge it is an horrific case, they had much discussion how to cover it, the video was released by the police to show how the investigation progressed, it did not show any details, it would only have been released with the agreement of the family. Which is the most surprising thing to me. But I am not in their position so have no idea how I would act or react.

I still think there is an element of the police bigging themselves up even if they are trying to forestall criticism of their actions by showing exactly what they did do in this case and have done in other cases.

I did not and do not want to think about this for obvious reasons but have to admit there are other aspects to the post trial publicity than I might have thought of.

It's pandering to the public interest in seeing this stuff.

No it's not in the public interest to show the cases her body parts were found in. What possible purpose can that serve?

Yes I'm sure the public are interested. But it's just grim to show these images and it must be awful for the family to have the police of all people circulating them.

Oh god, West Midlands police! I can say with full conviction, if Phoenix reported her concerns to WMP they would have ignored her and left her to fend for herself. They only investigate murders apparently, as anything else isn’t worth the investigative cost regardless of lower level crime leading to murder. Which makes it all the more ironic to see them parading that footage online and essentially patting themselves on the back.

Omg why was this not given more coverage?! Poor girl RIP

In fairness, I have to say the Deputy Editor of the Birmingham Mail Newsdesk (for reference) said in her reply to me that the police only put out such videos with the family's permission. she also said the video only showed up to the time the stopped the woman in the car. I have not seen it and will not so I am taking her word for it.