Gareeca Gordon conviction ~ a rare female horror killing?

[CallMeCleo]

I can't remember ever hearing of a woman committing such a crime. I'm shocked, stunned, almost catatonic in disbelief.

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/phoenix-netts-murder-dismembered-gareeca-gordon-jailed-bristol-crown-court-b933139.html

[sanluca]

Shizuku, she will be kept apart from other women. It is very rare and spaces for very violent female criminals are available in a couple of womens prisons, but only a few.
In that way she is actually worse off than male prisoners who are sentenced for murders. There is more capacity in the mens because there are so much more of them. They at least get to interact with each other a little.

But this women, she will have very limited contact with anyone for years.

[Pota2]

@Shizuku

Utterly horrific.

If she goes to a women's prison, how will the other prisoners be protected from her?

Isolation?

[denverRegina]

"she will be kept apart from other women. It is very rare and spaces for very violent female criminals are available in a couple of womens prisons, but only a few"

I don't know where you are getting this information from but it's wrong. She'll be with the general population very quickly once she's been assessed on the first night care unit.

[denverRegina]

"Isolation?"

For over 2 decades? No, not happening.

[AnnaMagnani]

She won't be the only woman in there capable of a violent attack in response to rejection or anything she has misunderstood due to her personality disorder.

The prison officers will be dealing with behaviour like this every day from very damaged women.

I doubt she would be in isolation at all.

[LastRoloIsMine]

She will just be another prisoner.
She will in her first few weeks be monitored and evaluated some of it maybe in isolation but that's mostly to do with monitoring mental health however there is no reason to isolated her.

Prison is not a safe haven.

[Babygotblueyes]

I wonder if after Sarahs murder the press is treading more carefully in their reports about women and so dont know how to report this if they cant do their usual misogynistic crap. As for the offender - sadism is present in about 6% of the population overall but more likely to be men rather than women. Same with psychopaths. So this is really really rare.

[SunshineCake]

How is it a honour killing? Seems she was murdered as the killer was annoyed the victim wouldn't have sex with her.

[SunshineCake]

Apologies. I misread. Eye sight is deteriorating.

[Deliriumoftheendless]

Rose West was definitely a sexual predator.

[MissBarbary]

There was this pair of teenage girls and I'm sure I've seen other reports of awful crimes by teenage girl gangs.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/07/angela-wrightson-girls-tortured-alcoholic-hartlepool-life-sentences.

So far as West and Hindley there's little beyond wishful thinking that they would not have done what they did had it not been for meeting their male partners in crime.

So far as women generally not being involved in violent murders that might be true where the victim is an adult but many children have been murdered by their mothers.

[MissBarbary]

@Deliriumoftheendless

Rose West was definitely a sexual predator.

I started reading but had to give up because it was so sickening, an account of the lives of Fred and Rose before they met.

Both were from families steeped in depravity probably going back generations, and yes, Rose was a sexual predator long before she met Fred.

[risefromyourgrave]

Linda and Charlotte Mulhall murdered and dismembered their mother’s abusive boyfriend in Dublin.

[PaterPower]

“Two of the three you cite were the sidekicks of violent men. It is extremely unlikely that, had they never met those men, they would ever have killed.”

You can’t be referring to Allitt, so if you think Rose West was a “sidekick” to Fred then you’ve not read any of the trial material, or the books about them or watched any of the interviews with the investigating policemen.

She was the brains and driving force of that partnership, something which the many women they brutalised testified to. She liked to use increasingly large dildos on her female victims until they protested. She’d then tell them they were weak for not being able to take the pain.

Rose killed one of her stepchildren when Fred was still in prison, having physically abused her and her sister over the six months he was inside. That was all on her and the evidence points to many of the other murders being driven by her sexual fetishism.

As for Hindley, even if you choose to believe it was his influence that twisted her, she lured the victims into her car and drove them to the murder sites. She played an active role.

[AnnaMagnani]

Even the paragraph on Rose West's Wikipedia page on her childhood is enough for me to know I don't want to read a book.

I work with offenders some of whom come from homes of multigenerational abuse. They have no clue how to interact with another adult in a normal way or how a normal loving sexual relationship works. And one wonders how far back in their family tree you would have to go to find someone that did.

[Deliriumoftheendless]

Miss Barbary- yes, both had horrendous childhoods, basically everything that can shape a psychopathic sexual predator was present. Horrendous.

Not to excuse what they did- they were/are horrific people who tortured, raped and murdered people including their own kids. But none of it happened in a vacuum.

You would hope enough lessons were learned to stop it happening again, but doubtful.

[HoneysuckIejasmine]

This was reported on my local BBC radio at the time and again today. (I live on the opposite side of the county in question). They said on reports today that police only stopped Gordon as they were chasing up on covid lockdown breaches.

The brutality of it is shocking and very unusual. Not sure why the reporting is so bad nationally.

[Brokenpencilsarepointless]

I really thought this would have more coverage. There are just so many aspects of it which are shocking and well, newsworthy. I cant get over that she would have lived for a few hours after tha attack, just slowly fading away, with her murdered in the room. It's so awful, but its hurried halfway down the news sites. I dont understand.

[Flaxmeadow]

AnnaMagnani
She won't be the only woman in there capable of a violent attack in response to rejection or anything she has misunderstood due to her personality disorder.
The prison officers will be dealing with behaviour like this every day from very damaged women.

Oh please stop making excuses for this sexual predator and cold blooded killer. The judge at sentencing stated that her personality disorder had not "distorted" her reality. Also that the crime was aggravated because the victim might have lived had she recieved medical attention. Her last 'hours', spent with the killer, must have terrifying. Many women have the same difficult past and mental health issues as the killer, but are not capable of that.

I doubt she would be in isolation at all.

If she asks to be separated from the general prison population she will be. Not necessarily isolation but some prisoner are separated.

Hopefully she will not get parole, '23 years' is the minimum, and serve the rest of her life in prison.

[oldwomanwhoruns]

I am not buying this story. Not buying it.

[Pota2]

@oldwomanwhoruns

I am not buying this story. Not buying it.

What do you mean? You still think she’s a man. She’s very evidently not. She went to an all girls school and classmates have said they knew her. She was coerced into prostitution and has a serious mental health condition. She was undergoing psychiatric assessment which is why the press held off a bit. It reminds me a bit of the Eltiona Skana case which was also subject to restricted reporting.

Look, it’s ludicrous to say that women never commit crimes like this. Not as often, no, but it definitely happens. Women can be violent too. By insisting that this must have been a man when there are photos of a woman and absolutely no evidence that she was trans, you make yourself look really stupid.

[oldwomanwhoruns]

I didn't say that, @Pota2
I didn't say that at all.

But I don't buy that a modern, young, person, leaves no internet trace.

[Pota2]

@oldwomanwhoruns

I didn't say that, *@Pota2*
I didn't say that at all.

But I don't buy that a modern, young, person, leaves no internet trace.

What do you mean by that? I know loads of younger people who have no social media (or have it in a different name) and wouldn't necessarily appear in an internet search. For instance, if a person is arrested or comes to public attention some other way, they very often delete all public profiles. And, if you think about it, 'leaving an internet trace' is something more connected with the middle classes. Eg, if you go to uni, then get a job at some company with a big web presence, you're likely to have a profile on there. If you leave school and work at Tesco or are unemployed, why would there be any internet trace of you?

For instance, I have social media but none in my own name. If you search my name, you will find lots of work-related stuff but that's because I work in a relatively high-profile career. I don't think there is anything about me on the internet that isn't to do with work (not been arrested or featured on the news or anything) but if my job was being a cleaner, none of that would be there and I'd be 'invisible' too.

[toffeebutterpopcorn]

Why was the identity - even photos - of the murderer kept so secret?

[PicsInRed]

@oldwomanwhoruns

I am not buying this story. Not buying it.

No indeed. There's already some chatter online.