Gareeca Gordon conviction ~ a rare female horror killing?

[CallMeCleo]

I can't remember ever hearing of a woman committing such a crime. I'm shocked, stunned, almost catatonic in disbelief.

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/phoenix-netts-murder-dismembered-gareeca-gordon-jailed-bristol-crown-court-b933139.html

I agree @toffeebutterpopcorn, I have been following this story for a while and the details were so scant that I was sure G was a TW. But now alll details are out it’s not the case but I don’t understand why it’s been so down played in the media

"If she asks to be separated from the general prison population she will be. Not necessarily isolation but some prisoner are separated."

@Flaxmeadow no she won't, there's nowhere to put her for a start. Prisoners aren't just separated because they ask to be.

@toffeebutterpopcorn

Why was the identity - even photos - of the murderer kept so secret?

Because she was undergoing psychiatric assessment to see whether she was able to be held responsible for it. See also the Eltiona Skana case which also wasn’t widely reported. I mean do you think the Daily Mail etc would hold back on reporting just because the offender was trans?

@PicsInRed what sort of chatter. A GC journalist was at the sentencing hearing (Jo Bartosch). This isn’t a male person. Seriously.

With Eltiona Skana, people didn’t think a woman would grab a random child and slit her throat. Yet she did. She was extremely mentally ill. Sometimes it can make people do unbelievable horrific things.

Commented on a few of these posts stating that Gareeca is a blood relative of someone close to me and definitely a female - born female.
Whilst it's unusual for a woman to do something like this I don't think its unheard of so I'm not sure why people are obsessed with the idea that she is a male.
Just being a woman wouldn't prevent someone from being evil.
I think it happened early covid where covid took over every news story, they were both vulnerable to have ended up in a women's refuge, Gareeca obviously has issues that would have had to be investigated. Plenty of reasons not to have a media frenzy

The details were out at the beginning but like with any other case, things are held back until court.
It's a tragedy whatever way you look at it and once again, maybe if someone got the mental health support they needed it may have been avoided.

I think it happened early covid where covid took over every news story, they were both vulnerable to have ended up in a women's refuge, Gareeca obviously has issues that would have had to be investigated. Plenty of reasons not to have a media frenzy

It does not appear to have been a women's refuge but an HMO with support service/s attached.

"It does not appear to have been a women's refuge but an HMO with support service/s attached."

So?

The lack of coverage is in large part down to the guilty plea and lack of a trial to cover. The other elements are, I think, the troubled personal life of the victim and the fact that the killer is clearly mentally ill. It’s not a story that is easy to frame within established media narratives.

@SunshineCake

Apologies. I misread. Eye sight is deteriorating.

I made the same mistake.

@KimThomas

The lack of coverage is in large part down to the guilty plea and lack of a trial to cover. The other elements are, I think, the troubled personal life of the victim and the fact that the killer is clearly mentally ill. It’s not a story that is easy to frame within established media narratives.

Good points.

Whilst it's unusual for a woman to do something like this I don't think its unheard of so I'm not sure why people are obsessed with the idea that she is a male.

It's about trust, ten years ago if I had seen a headline stating "a woman ..." I would have trusted that the article was talking about a woman.

I do understand the frustration of people asking why it is still being questioned, but put the blame where it lies, on the people who decided that woman sometimes means man.

If this had happened ten years ago, there wouldn't have been any distrust of the reporting.

However, the online disquiet about this terrible, tragic case is symptomatic of what happens when the press become known for publishing according to a particular rule-book.

Cross post!

Almost word for word!

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

If this had happened ten years ago, there wouldn't have been any distrust of the reporting.

However, the online disquiet about this terrible, tragic case is symptomatic of what happens when the press become known for publishing according to a particular rule-book.

I get that but there is absolutely no evidence that this person is male and there is a photo of her plus background, including attending an all-girls school, that strongly suggests that she is female, yet people STILL refuse to believe it.

Is there going to be an inquiry? Weren’t they both in temporary accommodation therefore some duty of care?

The acid attack by Berlinah Wallace on her former partner was pretty horrific. Technically not murder as he survived but opted for euthanasia in Belgium after dozens of operations and constant pain. This case was a big part of why I never use Amazon now - she bought a litre of Sulphuric Acid from them for £10 no questions asked. Often wondered why she is not notorious like Beverly West - maybe not enough lurid sex involved?

Rose West

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-phoenix-netts-murder-gordon-20519155

It's rare but it does happen. The murder of Jayna Murray by her work colleague Brittany Norwood was a horrifically violent attack by a woman.

It's rare for women to murder adults- It's not particularly rare for women to murder their children.

I've seen plenty sickening reports in my lifetime of unspeakable cruelty by women- sometimes in concert with a male partner but often on their own, or in the case of Liam Fee, by 2 women in a lesbian relationship.

Maybe women don't pick on victims their own size.

@MissBarbary

It's rare for women to murder adults- It's not particularly rare for women to murder their children.

I've seen plenty sickening reports in my lifetime of unspeakable cruelty by women- sometimes in concert with a male partner but often on their own, or in the case of Liam Fee, by 2 women in a lesbian relationship.

Maybe women don't pick on victims their own size.

Yes. I think all murderers tend to go for victims that they perceive to be weaker than themselves. There are some really horrific child murder cases with female perpetrators. There is also a case from the US where a woman stabbed pregnant woman and cut her baby out of her womb. The idea that women are meek and mild and never violent is a stereotype. Some women are. Much fewer than there are violent men but there are some out there. They don’t necessarily pose a risk to other women in prison though. If anything, they are likely to be targets for violence from other prisoners. Therefore, this is not at all the same as putting males in female prisons.

There was a man helping her, I wonder how he knew her and why he got involved.

@Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel

There was a man helping her, I wonder how he knew her and why he got involved.

I gather he wasn't involved with her as such, he was the taxi/Uber driver whom GG booked for various trips. It was because he was stopped by police for a 'what are you doing out of your local area' COVID–19 routine stop near the wooded land that some of the more incriminating evidence was discovered.

It looks like he had no involvement or knowledge beyond being the unwitting courier (so to speak).