TW: Laila Mickelwait: [children pay] a devastating price for an unchecked Big Porn sex crime industry.

[EmbarrassingAdmissions]

TikTok took down this young woman's first video in which she shared screenshots of her father's searches.

Teen discovered her father googling “real” “homemade” “teen” “rape” videos & “father daughter” incest abuse videos on the world’s largest porn tube sites.

The kids of this generation are paying a devastating price for an unchecked Big Porn sex crime industry.

twitter.com/LailaMickelwait/status/1389217984753946627

In various ways, this has been cropping up, recently. Some of us must be in relationships with, work with/alongside/for/supervise people who search for this material and actively exploit trafficked people.

What is it like for children to discover that a parent or other close relative does this? How do we expect children to engage with a society in which such people live among us? How do we expect VAWG to be addressed as the public health problem it is when social media is set up to facilitate this industry?

[NiceGerbil]

'I genuinely don't give a fuck about nailing points or winning an argument. I am posting because it is interesting to me, because I'd like to learn, and because I am arrogant enough to believe that some people reading might take some things from some of what I say.'

I've seen no evidence that you would like to learn. None at all.
What sort of people do you think lurk on the fwr section on MN? Yes it is arrogant to think that your misdirection, topic switching, straw manning, lack of engagement with points made or questions asked, will have a bunch of lurkers sitting up and thinking yowzers those are convincing arguments I did think pornography representing rape/ incest/ both was awful and I would be pretty wary of a man who liked it. But now I understand it's all totally fine and not a problem at all. And further, any judgement I might have made about a man who liked that stuff was wrong and biased, I was being led by my puritanical ideas and disgust, and I should definitely try to overcome those unfair reactions.

[NiceGerbil]

Additionally, I now see that 10% of women's clothes are indecent/ pornographic and I was exposing children to porn simply by walking down the high street.
Additionally I will have been providing a free pornographic display for eg male customers while browsing in rymans.
All of this I did without their consent. No more!
Now which of these clothes are pornographic and which are not..?

[picklemewalnuts]

Jedi, you are close to arguing that there's no point having boundaries if they can't be watertight/policed.

Shall we just abandon safeguarding all together then?

I'd prefer to set our boundaries out really clearly- porn showing illegal acts is unacceptable. I'd then campaign to get internet providers to take more responsibility for the content they facilitate. I'd make it harder for people to find the illegal content which is so corrosive. And I'd attempt to police it in much the same way as all other policing happens in the U.K.- patchily.

We haven't decriminalised all other 'hard to police' crimes.

Your argument would have rape within marriage legal, beating your wife legal, date rape etc. You don't stop classing things as unacceptable because they are hard to prevent or police.

[RufustheBadgeringReindeer]

@NiceGerbil

'I genuinely don't give a fuck about nailing points or winning an argument. I am posting because it is interesting to me, because I'd like to learn, and because I am arrogant enough to believe that some people reading might take some things from some of what I say.'

I've seen no evidence that you would like to learn. None at all.
What sort of people do you think lurk on the fwr section on MN? Yes it is arrogant to think that your misdirection, topic switching, straw manning, lack of engagement with points made or questions asked, will have a bunch of lurkers sitting up and thinking yowzers those are convincing arguments I did think pornography representing rape/ incest/ both was awful and I would be pretty wary of a man who liked it. But now I understand it's all totally fine and not a problem at all. And further, any judgement I might have made about a man who liked that stuff was wrong and biased, I was being led by my puritanical ideas and disgust, and I should definitely try to overcome those unfair reactions.

Beautifully put

[QuentinBunbury]

I am arrogant enough to believe that some people reading might take some things from some of what I say.
I'm definitely forming an opinion of you from what you say .

[Namenic]

Interestingly if someone made comments about terrorism and supporting it, watching extremist videos - then if it were reported, resources would go into checking on the person, that they weren’t going to be radicalised and do something violent. Hate speech is illegal, and I wouldn’t be surprised if people’s search terms were monitored. I’m pretty sure the public would not be in favour of a terrorism-Hub making money out of this.

Should we do the same with people who make comments about raping others or abusing them? Searching for and watching extreme porn/porn depicting under age sex?

[QuentinBunbury]

I'm reading Laura Bates book about the radicalisation of men into extreme misogyny via the Internet and it is striking that nothing is done even about forums where men are encouraging each other to rape women
It's hard not to think that women are disposable. That would fit with some of the assertions on this thread. Women aren't really people so any harm being done to them to make "porn" doesn't count

[Cailleach1]

A fellow called Paddy O'Gorman used to do a programme on Irish radio. He was a roving reporter. There was a very human element to his reporting and interviews, e.g. living on benefits, drug addiction, prostitution, homelessness amongst other issues. He had/has a wonderful empathy with people and is very compassionate in his interaction.

A very memorable interview was one he carried out was on sex offenders. I think it was in Arbour Hill prison (it is a male sex offenders prison). There was a group of men who were discussing their offences; I can't remember if it was for paedophilia exactly or what sex crimes. They were bemoaning how young girls dress themselves up to look older and the poor men could be fooled by thinking they were older than they looked. The take away was that the poor men could be in for sex crimes against minors because they were just hoodwinked into thinking the girls were older than they were.

Paddy added a bit on to the report at the end. He said that the person (or one of the men) saying that was in for raping his own child. It just brought home what lies paedophiles and sex offenders will tell and what webs of false narratives they will create.

Anyway, looked up Paddy and delighted he is grounded on the fact that sex is real. I imagine he has had too vast an experience of interviewing women to fall for any other representation of reality.

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