TW: Laila Mickelwait: [children pay] a devastating price for an unchecked Big Porn sex crime industry.

[EmbarrassingAdmissions]

TikTok took down this young woman's first video in which she shared screenshots of her father's searches.

Teen discovered her father googling “real” “homemade” “teen” “rape” videos & “father daughter” incest abuse videos on the world’s largest porn tube sites.

The kids of this generation are paying a devastating price for an unchecked Big Porn sex crime industry.

twitter.com/LailaMickelwait/status/1389217984753946627

In various ways, this has been cropping up, recently. Some of us must be in relationships with, work with/alongside/for/supervise people who search for this material and actively exploit trafficked people.

What is it like for children to discover that a parent or other close relative does this? How do we expect children to engage with a society in which such people live among us? How do we expect VAWG to be addressed as the public health problem it is when social media is set up to facilitate this industry?

[Helmetbymidnight]

Oof men mounting defences of men searching passed out young girls to orgasm over.

FML

[JediGnot]

@BitMuch

After this video she finds he is very deliberately searching for illegal child abuse images and informs the police.

This website contains explanation of UK law relating to this: www.stopitnow.org.uk/concerned-about-your-own-thoughts-or-behaviour/concerned-about-use-of-the-internet/get-the-facts/no-grey-area/. They have a free anonymous helpline too.

Anyone who seeks out child porn is absolute sick and needs locking up. Obvs.

And I do get why people on this thread would rather hang around with people who avoid porn or watch vanilla porn only, and would actively avoid people who watch deeply weird / disgusting porn. I totally get that, not least because I'd guess that people searching incest porn are more likely to be paedophiles than people who don't search for incest porn.

BUT, I am uncomfortable with the idea that he is automatically sick just as a result of those search terms in a mainstream porn site.

[Helmetbymidnight]

BUT, I am uncomfortable with the idea that he is automatically sick just as a result of those search terms in a mainstream porn site.

I bet you are.

[JediGnot]

@Helmetbymidnight

Oof men mounting defences of men searching passed out young girls to orgasm over.

FML

I am not defending any man searching for videos of rape, whether the victim is an adult or a child.

I am saying that based on the search terms as initially presented there was no reason to suppose he wasn't looking for perfectly legal videos made by and for consenting adults. Weird, twisted, fucked-up consenting adults, but I acknowledge that there are numerous things that should be legal despite me having less than zero interest in doing them (gay sex being an obvious example).

[JediGnot]

@Helmetbymidnight

BUT, I am uncomfortable with the idea that he is automatically sick just as a result of those search terms in a mainstream porn site.

I bet you are.

I am somewhat offended that you are calling me a liar.

Why do you find it so hard to believe that there are things (a porn video featuring rough sex for example, or a porn video that features people pretending to be blood relatives) that I can simultaneously believe are pretty damn weird and twisted, 100% not for me, yet not outright condemn everyone who wants to watch them?

[NutellaEllaElla]

By calling those things 'kinks', you are grouping them together with foot fetishists and harmless sexual quirks. I think this is what posters are objecting to.

[NutellaEllaElla]

Why be reluctant about calling out a paraphilia when you see one?

[ProudExclu]

Oof men mounting defences of men searching passed out young girls to orgasm over.

FML

I rarely get offended but honestly this person has made me so uncomfortable. There should be some sort of government flagging system for people defending this shit because there’s only one explanation in my eyes for being uncomfortable about perverts being outed.

[Helmetbymidnight]

Im not calling you a liar.

I totally believe that you think wanking over films of passed out teens/father daughter incest is a perfectly fine way to spend an afternoon.

[picklemewalnuts]

Some things are indefensible. It turns out this guy is in fact exactly what his search terms suggest he is, sadly.

Imo, it is a signifier of morally bankrupt.

You are saying that while you don't share or understand those fantasies, it's fine for people to have those fantasies, and fine for others to act them out to entertain other people.

I would say, feeding those fantasies is criminal. Feeding your own illegal fantasies is dangerous and possibly criminal.

The videos on mainstream porn sites are pretty much well known to include illegal abusive material. Watching it drives the abuse.

Where do you draw the line about what is 'not your taste but allowed' and what is not? Is filming acted out sexual abuse of animals ok? What about of 18 year olds in pigtails with school uniform? What about torture? Is it ok to film simulated torture and the torturers getting off on it?

Where is the line for you between 'deeply weird and not to your taste' and 'disturbed and illegal'?

[picklemewalnuts]

This isn't about whether it turns you on. Recruiting gay porn into this argument is offensive.

This is pretty offensive, imo:
"Weird, twisted, fucked-up consenting adults, but I acknowledge that there are numerous things that should be legal despite me having less than zero interest in doing them (gay sex being an obvious example)."

[JediGnot]

@Helmetbymidnight

Im not calling you a liar.

I totally believe that you think wanking over films of passed out teens/father daughter incest is a perfectly fine way to spend an afternoon.

If the teen is under age or passed out or the other person is her actual father then it is obviously 100% disgusting and illegal.

If the teen is above the age of consent and having consensual sex with another porn performer then I'm not sure how it's my business if it's labelled teen incest and some complete fucking weirdo gets off on it.

[ProudExclu]

if the teen is above the age of consent and having consensual sex with another porn performer then I'm not sure how it's my business if it's labelled teen incest and some complete fucking weirdo gets off on it.

Do you not understand how desensitisation works? I’ve been sexually abused. Viewing these things even with actors desensitises you the same way I used to think it was normal that my ex was saving other men’s cum in a bottle in the freezer.

[Helmetbymidnight]

You've repeatedly defending men wanking over passed out 'flat' young teens with braces - we can all see that and now you've decided you're 'somewhat offended' because you thought I called you a liar when I didn't?

Wow.

[KittyValentine]

if the teen is under age or passed out or the other person is her actual father then it is obviously 100% disgusting and illegal.

If the teen is above the age of consent and having consensual sex with another porn performer then I'm not sure how it's my business if it's labelled teen incest and some complete fucking weirdo gets off on it

YOU might be able to make that distinction but with how easily accessible porn is nowadays, young children are watching porn (I’m sure I read a report that found 10 year olds were watching it - I might be wrong).

Do you think a 10 year old would be able to make that distinction? Do you think they sit there and analyse the heading or the description of the video before watching it?

[KittyValentine]

Whoops, old fail.

[KittyValentine]

*bold fail,

Bloody fat fingers!!

[JediGnot]

@picklemewalnuts

This isn't about whether it turns you on. Recruiting gay porn into this argument is offensive.

This is pretty offensive, imo:
"Weird, twisted, fucked-up consenting adults, but I acknowledge that there are numerous things that should be legal despite me having less than zero interest in doing them (gay sex being an obvious example)."

When did it become homophobic or offensive that one isn't into gay sex? Gay sex was used specifically because it is something that

(1) Absolutely disgusts me in terms of thinking about doing it

but

(2) Is absolutely 100% fine for others to do.

I think exactly the same thing about a film depicting an young woman old enough to consent, an older man, and a label which lies and says the performers are father and daughter. Absolutely disgusting from my point of view, but I'm not going to condemn someone else for watching consensual adults.

I'm going to try not to repeat myself on this thread, will try to stop posting any more. But I do also want to say that if there is evidence that people who search for porn between consenting adults which pretends to depict rape or incest are more likely to be rapists or abusers then it would be good if society spent time and money investigating people making those searches. I understand why anyone would find it really off-putting if they found out their friend / colleague had weird fetishes.

[JediGnot]

@ProudExclu

if the teen is above the age of consent and having consensual sex with another porn performer then I'm not sure how it's my business if it's labelled teen incest and some complete fucking weirdo gets off on it.

Do you not understand how desensitisation works? I’ve been sexually abused. Viewing these things even with actors desensitises you the same way I used to think it was normal that my ex was saving other men’s cum in a bottle in the freezer.

Earlier I said - "I think that the issue of the volume of kinky AF porn and it's affect on society is a completely different from the issue of whether there is anything wrong with a particular individual watching porn made by consenting adults that most of the rest of us find disgusting."

I can see the risks that - say - deep throat porn presents... fucking up boys expectations, fucking up what girls think is normal and expected in a sexual relationship. I can see the potential for it to do massive harm to society and individuals. But I don't think that means it should be illegal, or it could ever practically be made illegal or that it automatically means the participants or viewers are dangerous people.

It's a bit like alcohol - can totally fuck up individuals and to a lesser extent society, but that doesn't make an individual drinker or publican a bad person.

I am sorry you have been through the abuse you have. I would love the internet to have much less porn on it, and the porn it has to be much more vanilla. I can see all sorts of problems with it. But I disagree that having deeply weird kinks / fetishes / perversions automatically makes people bad, so long as they stay within the law.

[BigGreen]

I don't think incest porn should be legal. But if criminalising it isn't agreeable, making it difficult to access would be a good start. At the very least it should be locked behind a paid password protected site that requires age authorisation. That would be some layer of protection for the 10 year old on the Internet mentioned by PPs.

[JediGnot]

@Helmetbymidnight

You've repeatedly defending men wanking over passed out 'flat' young teens with braces - we can all see that and now you've decided you're 'somewhat offended' because you thought I called you a liar when I didn't?

Wow.

Please go back to the start of the thread where I explain I have not read the twitter thread. I have been mainly responding to "Teen discovered her father googling “real” “homemade” “teen” “rape” videos & “father daughter” incest abuse videos on the world’s largest porn tube sites."

If one party is passed out that is rape and illegal and I condemn that unequivocally, obviously.

" 'flat' young teens with braces" - clearly it is deeply deeply deeply problematic, and obviously if I had a teen daughter I would not want her hanging round with men who fetishize flat chests and braces. Obviously I would be deeply worried that the man's fetish bordered on or actually was paedophilia. Where did I say it's OK for men to google "'flat' young teens with braces fucking"? I didn't.

Having said all that braces do not equal underage; plenty of adult women have very small breasts... I hope that you wouldn't tell a flat chested 18 year old girl with braces that she shouldn't have sex until she's had the braces removed and grown breasts as by definition any man who wants to sleep with her must be a paedophile.

[Helmetbymidnight]

JFC. You said you were going to stop posting on the thread. Just fuck off.

[AssassinatedBeauty]

Quite. Was about to post the same, having been reading this thread, or trying to.

[JediGnot]

@KittyValentine

*if the teen is under age or passed out or the other person is her actual father then it is obviously 100% disgusting and illegal.

If the teen is above the age of consent and having consensual sex with another porn performer then I'm not sure how it's my business if it's labelled teen incest and some complete fucking weirdo gets off on it*

YOU might be able to make that distinction but with how easily accessible porn is nowadays, young children are watching porn (I’m sure I read a report that found 10 year olds were watching it - I might be wrong).

Do you think a 10 year old would be able to make that distinction? Do you think they sit there and analyse the heading or the description of the video before watching it?

Referring to your last two paragraphs... surely the problem here is the reality of the internet, children accessing porn, etc etc... not what two consenting adults do for a third to watch.

I agree that there are huge issues, very damaging things going on that harm individuals and society itself.

I don't have the answers, but trying to ban all porn, or just the non-vanilla potentially more harmful stuff just isn't realistic.

I think that the answers have to be mainly about parents and schools making sure that ALL children are protected from adult material as much as possible, and are taught at great length about issues such as consent and how most porn is completely unrealistic.

[JediGnot]

@Helmetbymidnight

JFC. You said you were going to stop posting on the thread. Just fuck off.

I will stop posting if I can, but it's hard when people keep misrepresenting me.

I genuinely don't believe that I have posted anything unreasonable.

If I have then please let me know what it is or report me to the mods so that they can delete posts or ban me as appropriate.