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University staff given list of banned 'microinsults' they cannot say to trans people

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ChristinaXYZ · 01/05/2021 12:34

From the Telegraph. the last para make you want to weep -

A Newcastle University spokesman said: "We want our campus to be a welcoming and safe place for everyone who studies, works or visits here, regardless of gender, race, class, age or disability."

But it would seem they are not bothered about making people feel welcome regardless of sex, as they don't even mention it.

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ouchmyfeet · 01/05/2021 20:55

@YetAnotherSpartacus

It's OK. Gravity is a particle, a wave, and a vector space. It was intersectional before it was fashionable.
🙌🙌🙌
ScrollingLeaves · 01/05/2021 21:01

“Hazel444
"Being cisgender comes with social privilege. That's even for people who are socially disadvantaged in other ways."

What the actual fuck? Why are they trying to position trans people as worse off than those generationally affected by systemic racism/ethnic cleansing etc.? Why this incessant need for victimhood? And not just any victimhood, but the most victimy victimhood that there ever was..”

I agree. I saw this too among other examples of misplaced ideology on Newcastle University’s web site.
www.ncl.ac.uk/media/wwwnclacuk/whoweare/pink-background.gif

I started to write a letter about this and other examples of their ideological explanations, language, and interpretations such as, for example, ‘cisgender’,‘assigned at birth” and even their conflating ‘mother/father’ with gender terms such as ‘usher/usherette’.

What is very irritating is that I think some was compiled by the department of linguistics.

I have not sent it yet though as it is difficult for me to write well enough.

pottydimley · 01/05/2021 21:27

@howard97A - because it makes them feel special. Hell for them would be for the world to be so accepting that they were part of the mainstream. MeMeMeMeMe.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 01/05/2021 21:29

Whatever happened to JB? These seemed to have been a review that never happened.

GreyhoundG1rl · 01/05/2021 21:33

Despite Jess's best efforts to make Jess happen, Jess never happened.

CorvusPurpureus · 01/05/2021 21:37

Unfortunately, holding Jess to account didn't seem to happen either.

GreyhoundG1rl · 01/05/2021 21:40

@CorvusPurpureus

Unfortunately, holding Jess to account didn't seem to happen either.
Yes, that's the unfortunate bit.
Erikrie · 01/05/2021 21:46

From what I recall JB had extremely good legal representation, which financially, would have been out of ordinary people's reach. I know there was debate at the time on how they had managed to access that.

pottydimley · 01/05/2021 21:55

So if labelling is so bad, why do they call me cis? I'm a woman. No need for any elaboration.

NecessaryScene1 · 01/05/2021 21:55

@toffeebutterpopcorn

Whatever happened to JB? These seemed to have been a review that never happened.
Rose of Dawn has been keeping an eye on this, and you get occasional updates, but basically it's gone down the memory hole.

Latest video on Aimee Challenor had a segment on Bradley, as another example of institutional failure.

Timestamped link:

CatherinaJTV · 01/05/2021 21:56

@AllThatisSolid

because students would not be expelled for saying "I wanted to be a boy when I was little". You are making up stuff and then get angry at it

But @CatherinaJTV university staff can be threatened by students, who can demand that staff "change their thinking" or be sacked they tried it with me

It's Orwellian.

no student will (have) ask(ed) for you to be sacked for saying "I wanted to be a boy when I was little".
Sophoclesthefox · 01/05/2021 22:07

I seem to recall that Jess managed to be represented by Mishcon De Reya, an astonishingly expensive and notoriously hard hitting law firm.

Quite the coup for a poor student, wasn’t it?

I think I’m remembering that right.

GreyhoundG1rl · 01/05/2021 22:08

It's not what you are but who you know. Literally, in this case.

ConkerBonkers · 01/05/2021 22:11

YetAnotherSpartacus -how about administrative staff?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/05/2021 22:47

You are remembering it right, Soph

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/05/2021 22:54

Mishcon de Reya have a LGBT fund

www.mishcon.com/about/social-impact/pro-bono

Which apparently non LGBT Mermaids employee Helen Islan used to bring a court case for transphobic hate crime against transsexual Miranda Yardley, according to Miranda:

mirandayardley.com/en/regina-v-miranda-yardley-more-darvo-from-helen-islan/

NecessaryScene1 · 01/05/2021 23:37

Now there's a connection I didn't know.

I'm now wondering what else they might have had their fingers in.

Bradley and Islan aren't exactly the classiest clients, are they? They clearly don't stoop as low as Hayden - no-one does. Have they been involved in any of the judicial reviews? Allison Bailey vs Stonewall?

ArcheryAnnie · 01/05/2021 23:37

@YetAnotherSpartacus

Meanwhile, the glass ceiling for women academics lives on unchallenged, women do the bulk of the first year teaching whilst watching younger men shoot ahead with promotions, and there are multiple, daily, aggressions and microaggressions leveled at and experienced by women and no one gives a proverbial.
Yup, yup, yup.

The "avoidant behaviour" one is, as other people have pointed out, particularly aggressive. Someone who looks male comes into your single-sex space, and your privacy and safety are compromised? Tough. Not only can you not verbally object, to them or to anyone else, but if you move away for your own safety it counts as a microinsult.

Fuck that.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 02/05/2021 00:06

Women in Afghanistan didn't have lives that different to ours in 1996.

Ninety Ninety Six.

I'm nearly 50, '96 was yesterday. I often wonder how many Afghan women were muttering "this can't be right, this isn't fair, this is totally bonkers" in 1992.

These are scary times.

Erikrie · 02/05/2021 00:07

Which apparently non LGBT Mermaids employee Helen Islan used to bring a court case for transphobic hate crime against transsexual Miranda Yardley, according to Miranda

Well if they represented Helen they weren't very successful on that occasion that's for sure.

Erikrie · 02/05/2021 00:09

Rose of Dawn has been keeping an eye on this, and you get occasional updates, but basically it's gone down the memory hole

Yes I didn't think I'd heard anything from Rose on that one for a while. She certainly was chasing it for some time.

Enough4me · 02/05/2021 00:56

This in the list of demands worried me...

Birth certificates are not just a violence against trans people, they are a material to the state’s oppression of “undocumented” immigrants and asylum seekers.

Thus undocumented people can come and go as they please as birth certificates scrapped, if it makes trans lives easier.

Gingerkittykat · 02/05/2021 01:17

@MrGHardy

At least trans people have a gender identity. Gender identity is obviously so crucial to humans and I don't even have one, nevermind cis or trans. Surely I am the most oppressed of them all.
I said the same thing to someone who was trying to educate me about gender and gender identity. She told me I was either gender vague or agender, so apparently also part of the trans community! Grin
Ariannah · 02/05/2021 01:27

I regularly engage in avoidant behaviour. I’ve been physically attacked and verbally bullied by men and women in the past and it’s made me very fearful and anxious about my personal safety. If I enter an enclosed space with a stranger who’s bigger than me I feel anxious and often need to leave. If I encounter someone who’s dressed similar to my previous attackers I feel afraid and I run away, even in broad daylight. If it’s dark or an isolated place I will run away from anyone who approaches me, male or female. I don’t appreciate being told that I have to remain in a situation that’s making me anxious otherwise it’s a micro aggression.