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University staff given list of banned 'microinsults' they cannot say to trans people

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ChristinaXYZ · 01/05/2021 12:34

From the Telegraph. the last para make you want to weep -

A Newcastle University spokesman said: "We want our campus to be a welcoming and safe place for everyone who studies, works or visits here, regardless of gender, race, class, age or disability."

But it would seem they are not bothered about making people feel welcome regardless of sex, as they don't even mention it.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/05/2021 19:34

As this came from the Scottish branch of ATH presumably that means Paris Green, horrific torture murderer, and "Mighty Almighty" who was too dangerous to be tried in one court.

www.scotsman.com/news/54-years-trio-who-tortured-victim-death-1553766

www.keep-prisons-single-sex.org.uk/tiffany-scott

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/1492364/transgender-prisoner-tiffany-scott-andrew-burns-dangerous-sheriff/amp/

AllThatisSolid · 01/05/2021 19:40

did have Ada Wells as the LGBTQI++ officer who campaigned for women who wouldn't sleep with trans women (or who believed women don't have penises) to be expelled from the university

Wasn't that the person who insulted the late and lamented Magdalen Berns and called some transwomen (who'd had SRS) "truscum"?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 01/05/2021 19:42

I used to work as an administrator on a Master's course. It was an eye opener to realise how much things had changed since I was a student in the early 80s. Back then, we were issued with a timetable and a few reading lists and after that we were more or less on our own. No evaluations of any kind were carried out. If there was an appeals process for exam results, I was unaware of it. As far as I can recall, our teaching was OK, some was excellent. If we ever had any complaints, I have no idea what we could have done. Nothing, I surmise.

I had a tutor one year who was academically brilliant. I learned a lot from him. He had MS and was in a wheelchair. I found it inspiring that he had managed to stay in his full-time job while battling a serious illness. He was also socially extremely conservative, for religious reasons, IIRC. I remember him going off on a mini-rant about how annoying it was that the word 'gay' was lost to the English language in its original sense now it was being used to indicate someone was homosexual. I didn't bother to challenge him, from a combination of cowardice and a feeling that it would be a waste of time - I wasn't going to change his mind.

He'd be up on a charge now. What a loss that would be to the students.

But of course back in the early 80s students were not consumers. The LEAs paid the fees, not us. I barely knew there were fees.

By the 2000s/2010s, every single module had to be evaluated, and the department was expected to rush through changes in response to any student criticism/feedback. Many times, we made changes one year and the next year the next cohort complained that they would have preferred things another way - the way we used to do it! A particular highlight was when a student complained that the timetable showed a lecture timed for 2-5pm but the session often ended before 5pm. 'If I've paid for 3 hours, I expect to get 3 hours', she told our Head of Department. So next year we filled the full 3-hour session and guess what, at the end of the year, many of the part-time students said what a long day it was and how they wished the afternoon session could end a bit earlier.

This climate has laid the groundwork for the nonsense we're seeing on this thread. The student voice used to be inaudible. That was bad. Now it's deafening. That's not good either.

blackwhiteandstripey · 01/05/2021 19:46

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/05/2021 19:48

This student paper is not in any way a GC source but even they could not get behind Ada Wells:

thetab.com/uk/edinburgh/2016/08/23/ada-wells-resigns-eusas-lgbt-officer-25017

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GreyhoundG1rl · 01/05/2021 19:58

did have Ada Wells as the LGBTQI++ officer who campaigned for women who wouldn't sleep with trans women (or who believed women don't have penises) to be expelled from the university
If the day ever arrives when you can be expelled from university or fired from the workplace because you exercised your God given right to choose who you sleep with I think I'll check out.
I will no longer be able to cope with the world.

HamsterV2 · 01/05/2021 19:59

After doing a bit of digging on Ada Wells, I dredged this up. I think this speaks volumes. Ada's Twitter account doesn't exist anymore. Tbh I'd be surprised if Ada wasn't banned for the anti-semetic, anti-police, homophobic nonsense that was on their timeline.

How someone like this ends up as a Uni's LGBTQI++ officer is beyond me....

University staff given list of banned 'microinsults' they cannot say to trans people
Defaultname · 01/05/2021 20:04

@HamsterV2

A not wholly frivolous thought has struck me. Are lanyards not, in and of themselves, hazardous? Quite easy to grab someone by the lanyard and use it to choke them, I would have thought.Might be grounds for declining to wear one.

For health and safety, a lot of lanyards these days have self-release clips at the back these days to stop people choking for that very reason.

A white lanyard has formed part of the uniform of Britain's Royal Artillery (RA) since the end of the 19th Century.....The distinction was extended to women of the Auxiliary Territorial Service attached to RA units during World War II. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanyard

The first 'Mixed' Heavy Anti-Aircraft (HAA) battery of the Royal Artillery (435 (Mixed) HAA Battery) was formed on 25 June 1941, and took over an operational gun site in Richmond Park, south-west London, in August. It was the forerunner of hundreds of similar units with the ATS supplying two-thirds of the personnel: at its height in 1943 three-quarters of Anti-Aircraft Command's HAA batteries were mixed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auxiliary_Territorial_Service

I read a biography of a woman who served in such a unit. On their first leave after being allowed to wear lanyards, they walked proudly round town, only to be stopped by a Military Policeman. They enjoyed telling him that no, they weren't claiming something to which they had no right; they'd earned them.

Now, those were lanyards.

R0wantrees · 01/05/2021 20:21

Of that lengthy list of demands (they even manage to sound like hostage takers)
We demand immediate release & pardon for all trans prisoners. is the most perplexing. Surely nobody thinks trans prisoners have been imprisoned for the crime of being trans?

Any excuse to post the video of Jess Bradley (Action For Trans Health) with a purple and pink bag, being mown down by a Pipe Band after a ridiculously short and ineffective protest, Glasgow Pride 2017:

GreyhoundG1rl · 01/05/2021 20:25

[quote R0wantrees]Of that lengthy list of demands (they even manage to sound like hostage takers)
We demand immediate release & pardon for all trans prisoners. is the most perplexing. Surely nobody thinks trans prisoners have been imprisoned for the crime of being trans?

Any excuse to post the video of Jess Bradley (Action For Trans Health) with a purple and pink bag, being mown down by a Pipe Band after a ridiculously short and ineffective protest, Glasgow Pride 2017:

[/quote] Will I be banned if I howl at that? It's made my night!
GreyhoundG1rl · 01/05/2021 20:26

Squished like a bug! 😂😂😂

YetAnotherSpartacus · 01/05/2021 20:28

A not wholly frivolous thought has struck me. Are lanyards not, in and of themselves, hazardous? Quite easy to grab someone by the lanyard and use it to choke them, I would have thought.
Might be grounds for declining to wear one

I refuse and for this very reason. My swipe ID lives in my pocket or my bag.

CorvusPurpureus · 01/05/2021 20:32

Jess Bradley was the one who disappeared shortly after posting images online of Jess airing Jess's willy at jess's desk, & on public transport, I think.

Oh & cartoon images of Ben 10 being raped.

WindyPudding · 01/05/2021 20:34

I wanted to be a boy when I was a child

So it's not so much about microaggressions, it's about saying anything that might raise logical questions or put trans people in danger of confronting reality. Statement of relevant, reasonable truth is banned.

The avoidance thing is ridiculous too, as well as scary. You're allowed to avoid anyone surely, even if it's just because you don't like them. We've all had to work or be on a course with someone who we'd avoid in other situations because they were unpleasant or difficult.

One of the reasons I'd avoid someone is if they were the type to cry offence all the time, turn innocent mistakes into "aggressions", play the victim, or try to compel others' speech. So I can quite easily see why I would avoid a certain type of trans person and it wouldn't be avoiding them because they identified as trans, but because they were PITA, not helped by being treated by authority as if their every whim was instant law.

It reminds me of one of those (numerous) articles where a trans person was talking about how victimised and misunderstood they were, where they said they were turned down for a flatshare and when asked why they were told the other flatties "couldn't be doing with the drama" and how terribly offensive this was. But maybe, just maybe, it wasn't because they were trans it was because they were an obvious drama queen who took offence at the drop of a hat and kept policing people.

blackwhiteandstripey · 01/05/2021 20:38

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Delphinium20 · 01/05/2021 20:38

@NecessaryScene1

Does go to show though, doesn't it.

Men wearing a "safe for women" badge would be terrifying.

People wearing a "safe for trans" badge makes them go "yay!"

What does that reveal?

So, so true. Women are hardwired to run for help whenever they hear a man who says, "Trust me...I'm a good guy."
WindyPudding · 01/05/2021 20:40

With the list of banned statements and the prisoner thing, it's clear that what trans ideology wants, and is being given in some situations, is for every trans person to be literally beyond reproach - infallible, incapable of doing wrong, everything they do is fine and anyone who doesn't like it, even if it's criminal behaviour, is the aggressor and the trans person is innocent.

One of the anonymous accounts on one of the websites set up for adademica to talk about this, was about a transwoman student who was constantly parading around showing an erection through a dress and physically / sexually harassing people, but no one in authority would do anything about it because that would be anti-trans and it was just how that person was Hmm

What's weird is that those making these rules can't see that no other oppressed group gets this treatment. While women/either sex class are conspicuously being left out of these lists of protected categories, even those who are included (gay, bi, ethnic minority, disabled etc) are not given these extra special protections of not having to hear people talk about reality and not being seen as capable of doing wrong.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 01/05/2021 20:41

Sacred caste. Never a good idea.

GreyhoundG1rl · 01/05/2021 20:41

This lad? 🙄
Jess is quite the character...

AlfonsoTheTerrible · 01/05/2021 20:44

Ah, yes. Jess Bradley I was trying to remember that name so thanks to the posters who reminded me.

WindyPudding · 01/05/2021 20:45

Men wearing a "safe for women" badge would be terrifying.

People wearing a "safe for trans" badge makes them go "yay!"

I guess that really shows that it's not about actual safety, it's about forced ideology. Everyone must display their correct thoughts (whether they have them or not) for the sake of not causing offence.

Whereas women dealing with men have actual danger at the forefront of their minds.

StillFemale · 01/05/2021 20:45

@YetAnotherSpartacus

Meanwhile, the glass ceiling for women academics lives on unchallenged, women do the bulk of the first year teaching whilst watching younger men shoot ahead with promotions, and there are multiple, daily, aggressions and microaggressions leveled at and experienced by women and no one gives a proverbial.
^ So much this ^
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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 01/05/2021 20:50

Name changes are very useful for hiding one's traces, aren't they. I wish I was surer that the Police National Computer is tracking all name changes.

I'm thinking of something like this hypothetical case. Alex Smith comes out as trans shortly after enrolling at university. Alex becomes Rowan and gets elected as a student union official. Rowan is then accused of sexual harassment by a number of fellow students. In the ensuing hoo ha, Rowan drops out of university and disappears from view.

For all anyone else knows, Rowan might have reverted to being Alex, or might simply have taken another name altogether. Any potential employer would be none the wiser about Smith's murky past. Handy.