Lesbian Visibility Week

[ASugarr]

As Lesbian Visibility Week comes to an end, I want to make a quick reminder that
ALL LESBIANS ARE VALID!

Cisgender and Transgender women can be lesbians. Transgender men who date women don't consider themselves lesbians. All Lesbians deserve visibility!

Additionally, many have stated that they don't wish to date transgender people. That's fine! Just because someone is in the same dating pool doesn't mean you MUST be attracted to them. Plus genital preference is also totally fine! But don't forget, trans women are women so please do not degrade them just because you personally don't wish to date them.

Plus, let's continue to educate one another on the important information. Like preventing STI's as a lesbian, domestic abuse in lesbian relationships and how to deal with that, safe and consentual sex between lesbians. This is what we need to be educating young lesbians and bisexual women on.

Have a fabulous long weekend all 🤍🌈

WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld yes I've seen that on twitter too from the doctor.

Thanks Sugar. That makes sense actually. However trans women are not and never will be women. I don't have an issue with calling them trans women, but biologically they will always be male/men.

A bunch of the thing I mentioned are. Like STI prevention needing more attention, and etc.

You included in your cohort of lesbians people who are NOT lesbians and have no legal right to describe themselves as such. The Law is clear and explicit, neither you ASugarr, nor anyone else who doesn't fit the legal definition has the authority or right to re-write or misconstrue the Law.

@WhatWouldPhyllisCraneDo

Thanks Sugar. That makes sense actually. However trans women are not and never will be women. I don't have an issue with calling them trans women, but biologically they will always be male/men.

That's your opinion however trans women are women

That's your opinion however trans women are women

Again, it's not an opinion it's a fact.

@RedDogsBeg

That's your opinion however trans women are women

Again, it's not an opinion it's a fact.

It isn't a fact.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and going lalalalala doesn't make your opinion a fact.

The tide is turning, baby.

Of course it's a fact. Biology is a fact and it can't be changed. Unless you're a clown fish.
I watched a history programme recently. They dug up a human skeleton which testing told us was a female/girl (iirc they used both words) of roughly 14 years old.
How did they know?
She might have identified as a flying pig for all we know. But that's irrelevant.

I’m just going to take a moment to wave to lurkers, especially any who are new to FWR. I hope this thread is proving illuminating.

How are TW different from 'other' women then? It's because they were born male. That undeniable and however much anyone wants that not to be the case, every cell will always be male.

No spaces, no space bar - love it!

I'll stick with transwomen too, at least until people stop calling me cis when Ive repeatedly said I find it offensive. There are women and transwomen. And most of the world will always believe that, no matter what a few activists say.

It isn't a fact.

It sure as hell is a fact and one the law recognises.

@WhatWouldPhyllisCraneDo

Of course it's a fact. Biology is a fact and it can't be changed. Unless you're a clown fish. I watched a history programme recently. They dug up a human skeleton which testing told us was a female/girl (iirc they used both words) of roughly 14 years old. How did they know? She might have identified as a flying pig for all we know. But that's irrelevant.

Okay but someone being biologically male doesn't mean they are a man or boy. Similarly not everyone who is female is a woman or girl. If you don't agree with that that's your opinion, however that is a fact. It doesn't change the literal fact that some women aren't born female and some men aren't born male.

No Transwoman has manage to be impregnated by a man, ever.
So Transwoman can never be reproduced by natural ways, they have to use chemicals and surgery, otherwise seen nude their body betrays then. Karma from Mother Nature. So it is a truth a Transwoman is actually male.

'Literal'. What do you think that word means?

Can you write anything without using the word literal? Which literally has literally no meaning anymore.

• literal /ˈlɪt(ə)r(ə)l/  Learn to pronounce

adjective
1 1. 
taking words in their usual or most basic sense without metaphor or exaggeration."dreadful in its literal sense, full of dread"




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4 2. 
(of a translation) representing the exact words of the original text."a literal translation from the Spanish"

Not sure if the paste will work, but here's the OED.

ASugar: it's not a fact, though. It's based on a very particular theory of gender, which not everyone agrees with. I have considered and read the postmodern Judith Butler concept of gender, which conceives of 'woman' as a gender identity and I reject it. It's actually funny you are appealing to 'facts' at all considering that post-structuralists and postmodernists don't believe in objective 'facts', only discourses.

I do not think you understand the meaning of 'literal'. And it's pretty clear you are struggling with 'fact' as well. And 'man/woman'.
Is wanting words to have meaning like genital preference, something adherents need to be educated out of?
Sneedle arquibenge, no?

What you identify as is NOT what you are biological. Medically Doctors acknowledge this which is why wording is being changed, however treatment is still provided according to biology.
A doctor would be sued for performing an hysterectomy on a Transwoman.

Okay but someone being biologically male doesn't mean they are a man or boy. Similarly not everyone who is female is a woman or girl. If you don't agree with that that's your opinion, however that is a fact. It doesn't change the literal fact that some women aren't born female and some men aren't born male.

Again, no. Nothing in your paragraph is a fact ASugarr, it is all your opinion, none of it is backed up legally, scientifically or biologically.

Transwomen are males identifying as a version of women, for whatever reason. If it makes they feel better mentally, well ok. But they aren't and will never be anything other than biological males and transwomen. Only biological females can be women.

I think sometimes some people confuse lore (stories) with law (fixed rules).
Literal died a death years ago when Paris Hilton and co appropriated it.

@RedDogsBeg

Okay but someone being biologically male doesn't mean they are a man or boy. Similarly not everyone who is female is a woman or girl. If you don't agree with that that's your opinion, however that is a fact. It doesn't change the literal fact that some women aren't born female and some men aren't born male.

Again, no. Nothing in your paragraph is a fact ASugarr, it is all your opinion, none of it is backed up legally, scientifically or biologically.

It literally is. Man and Woman are gender terms in which you don't have to be biologically male or female to determine what you are. It is a literal fact that some people who are born male are women and some who are born female are men. Literally a fact.

The physical sex of a transwoman is male, however they also identify their gender as woman. A tiny percentage may also be legally considered female with some exemptions, for example if they are heir to an aristocratic title they are considered to be legally male despite their GRC. The rest are both physically and legally male.