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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pride in London getting ratioed

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BlackForestCake · 27/04/2021 10:02

I don't know what's happened, maybe the interns who delete the critical comments are off sick or something, but lesbians are taking issue with a Facebook post by Pride in London saying "Happy #LesbianVisibilityWeek! A week dedicated to celebrating and supporting all LGBTQI women and non binary people in our community" and it's glorious:

www.facebook.com/571267262899531/posts/6390372444322288/

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AfternoonToffee · 28/04/2021 18:01

@zzizzer

Makes you realise the power of censorship though. If people can't speak up, then they're left thinking they have a minority opinion when actually it's damn mainstream.
And the flip of that is that the others think everyone agrees with them and they hold the majority view.
SunsetBeetch · 28/04/2021 18:05

@SusannaMorvern

This one made me snort...
Grin
SapphosRock · 28/04/2021 20:24

@zzizzer

Makes you realise the power of censorship though. If people can't speak up, then they're left thinking they have a minority opinion when actually it's damn mainstream.
Indeed. I posted the same link in a lesbian group I'm in just saying 'Oh dear Pride in London, you had one job on lesbian visibility day.'

Guess what? It was deleted within minutes for not being 'kind'.

That's all we're good for us lesbians, being kind to the rest of the community. We have no needs of our own.

Pride in London getting ratioed
SmokedDuck · 28/04/2021 21:32

In a different thread someone in the organisation responded to the comment, saying that this was an excellent connection because the 9/11 terrorists were anti-LGBTQ+. It almost sounded like it was on purpose.

AfternoonToffee · 28/04/2021 22:29

How on earth did Pride manage to be organised on that day? Did absolutely no one anywhere make the connection? Not just 9/11 but the 20th anniversary. Many of us have those images burnt on our brains. The right thing to do is put your hands up, apologize and confess that you were like 1 when it happened, instead you issue some tone deaf response, it would have been better to have said nothing or that there would be a commemorative event to remember those in the community whose lives were lost.

MimiDaisy11 · 28/04/2021 23:30

@MishyJDI

It's just a pile on by haters of queer and lesbian people masquerading as supporters. Pure bigotry in display and the usual lies about lesbians being erased and being forced to accept other queer folk as sexual partners. A load of the usual gumpf.

These pile ons just help out organisations such as London Pride to demonstrate the hatred in some sections of the community that sadly still exist for other human beings. Very sad indeed.

But hey, when did that ever stop the keyboard warriors?

Where's the hate? I didn't see any. Most are just saying it's supposed to be a week for visibility of lesbians, which makes sense since that's what it's called. If you want to have a day celebrating all LGBT women and non-binary people then don't call it lesbian visibility week. Bisexual women are not lesbians. Likewise trans isn't a sexuality etc etc
ThumbWitchesAbroad · 29/04/2021 02:36

It's an absolute joy to read that thread. A joy.
They closed the comments by the time I got to see it, but I was liking furiously!
Only a few TRA trolls on there that I saw (didn't read all 600+ comments though so might have missed a few), resorting to childish taunts and namecalling.

ONE day for lesbians and it couldn't be allowed without including all those who are not actual lesbians. Halloween Angry

AlecTrevelyan006 · 29/04/2021 08:15

We’re just coming up to Deaf Awareness Week. I hope the organisers remember to mention the visually impaired too.

www.deafcouncil.org.uk/deaf-awareness-week/

Warmduscher · 29/04/2021 08:23

[quote AlecTrevelyan006]We’re just coming up to Deaf Awareness Week. I hope the organisers remember to mention the visually impaired too.

www.deafcouncil.org.uk/deaf-awareness-week/[/quote]
And people who aren’t actually deaf - don’t forget them!

Erkrie · 29/04/2021 08:31

Obviously we need to include those who identify as deaf too.

katmarie · 29/04/2021 08:49

so interesting to compare the post on trans day of visibility to the lesbian week of visibility one. The trans day is just trans people, no alphabet soup at all....

ChattyLion · 29/04/2021 09:06

Pride in London should already be bowing their heads in shame over how they appallingly they responded to the Get The L Out protesters in 2018 (and so should the organisers/ representatives of the other UK Prides who allowed or caused aggression of any kind or verbal abuse to the GTLO protesters)
People were calling for the GTLO women to be publicly outed and to be even sacked just for standing up for lesbians ie female same-sex attraction... AT PRIDE.
You couldn’t fucking make it up!
www.gettheloutuk.com/blog/tag/london-pride.html

Some threads still on here on this where the MN deletion hammer was survived. Summer 2019 showed similar responses, then the pandemic came but what’s 2021 and beyond going to be like for lesbians if anyone can be a lesbian now? Being same-sex attracted is not transphobic and anyone who says it is is a massive, lesbophobic, misogynist creep.

Stopthisnow · 29/04/2021 13:34

I am glad that people are recognising the fact Pride in London has chosen to include everyone in lesbian visibility day therefore rendering it completely meaningless. I am also delighted many are highlighting how lesbophobic it is to include males who ‘identify’ as ‘lesbian women’ under the definition of lesbian, and how homophobic and sexist gender ideology is in general.

As a lesbian woman (female homosexual) I (and many like me) have been extremely angry for many, many years about males being included in the definition of lesbian, and being permitted into lesbian spaces, groups and dating apps etc, due to formerly gay orgs promoting genderism. The problem for us was there were very few places we could go to express our objections to genderism, and the heterosexual males identifying as lesbian women feeling entitled to enter previously lesbian spaces. The blog Gendertrender (which was run by a butch lesbian) and a few other feminist blogs were the only places we could talk about it publicly online. So the assertion that lesbians have all been fine with genderism, and it is just some bigots string up animosity online is simply a lie, many of us objected to the tenets of genderism as soon as we became aware of them many years ago.

Incidentally, I personally remember coming across a wordpress site for males who identified as lesbian women, and seeing one of the male posters saying ‘I’m not worried about lesbians objecting, as they are a small group and nobody listens to them, I’ll only begin worrying if straight women start objecting, as there are so many of them’. We knew just as well as that male poster knew, that we needed allies outside of the lesbian (and feminist) community, as we would be ignored without the support of others, as we simply don’t have the financial resources that heterosexual males often have so we would have to rely on numbers.

Therefore, as a lesbian woman I am very heartened when anyone publicly supports my right to say ‘no a male cannot be a lesbian woman’, and ‘no a male is not entitled to enter lesbian spaces, groups, dating apps etc’. I don’t care what the sex or sexuality is of the posters on that Facebook post, or what other political views they may hold, the fact that they are publicly supporting my boundaries as a lesbian woman (female homosexual) by supporting my right to say no to males is great to see.

I would like to see more sunlight shone on the fact that currently heterosexual males feel entitled to ‘identify’ as lesbian women and it highlighted that the GRA and policies around gender identity are enabling this travesty. I think it needs talking about in parliament and in the mainstream media loudly and often, that this is the current situation, that the GRA and policies on gender identity have led to this situation, and that highlighting this fact leads to accusations of bigotry. The truth is most people do not think it is acceptable for heterosexual males (with their genitals intact no less) to be able to identify as lesbian women and enter lesbian and female only spaces, and this is why exposure of this situation to public scrutiny is being fought against so hard, by activists promoting genderism.

Beowulfa · 29/04/2021 13:39

Therefore, as a lesbian woman I am very heartened when anyone publicly supports my right to say ‘no a male cannot be a lesbian woman’, and ‘no a male is not entitled to enter lesbian spaces, groups, dating apps etc’.

There was some stiff competition, but I think it was this that tipped me over the edge from "just be kind, mmmkay?" to "fuck this massive steaming pile of shit".

Marguerite2000 · 29/04/2021 14:14

@Erkrie

Obviously we need to include those who identify as deaf too.
Especially those who only identify as deaf on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays.
lady69 · 29/04/2021 15:15

I know some of the posters there personally and they are gay and been on the london gay scene since the 70’s. Calling them haters is laughable. They are however passionately opposed to the T being lumped in with the LGB as they are very what a disaster it is to their community.

Helleofabore · 30/04/2021 01:46

lady69

Out of interest, do your friends think LGB Allliance is a good organization that represents them?

Datun · 30/04/2021 02:24

@Stopthisnow

I am glad that people are recognising the fact Pride in London has chosen to include everyone in lesbian visibility day therefore rendering it completely meaningless. I am also delighted many are highlighting how lesbophobic it is to include males who ‘identify’ as ‘lesbian women’ under the definition of lesbian, and how homophobic and sexist gender ideology is in general.

As a lesbian woman (female homosexual) I (and many like me) have been extremely angry for many, many years about males being included in the definition of lesbian, and being permitted into lesbian spaces, groups and dating apps etc, due to formerly gay orgs promoting genderism. The problem for us was there were very few places we could go to express our objections to genderism, and the heterosexual males identifying as lesbian women feeling entitled to enter previously lesbian spaces. The blog Gendertrender (which was run by a butch lesbian) and a few other feminist blogs were the only places we could talk about it publicly online. So the assertion that lesbians have all been fine with genderism, and it is just some bigots string up animosity online is simply a lie, many of us objected to the tenets of genderism as soon as we became aware of them many years ago.

Incidentally, I personally remember coming across a wordpress site for males who identified as lesbian women, and seeing one of the male posters saying ‘I’m not worried about lesbians objecting, as they are a small group and nobody listens to them, I’ll only begin worrying if straight women start objecting, as there are so many of them’. We knew just as well as that male poster knew, that we needed allies outside of the lesbian (and feminist) community, as we would be ignored without the support of others, as we simply don’t have the financial resources that heterosexual males often have so we would have to rely on numbers.

Therefore, as a lesbian woman I am very heartened when anyone publicly supports my right to say ‘no a male cannot be a lesbian woman’, and ‘no a male is not entitled to enter lesbian spaces, groups, dating apps etc’. I don’t care what the sex or sexuality is of the posters on that Facebook post, or what other political views they may hold, the fact that they are publicly supporting my boundaries as a lesbian woman (female homosexual) by supporting my right to say no to males is great to see.

I would like to see more sunlight shone on the fact that currently heterosexual males feel entitled to ‘identify’ as lesbian women and it highlighted that the GRA and policies around gender identity are enabling this travesty. I think it needs talking about in parliament and in the mainstream media loudly and often, that this is the current situation, that the GRA and policies on gender identity have led to this situation, and that highlighting this fact leads to accusations of bigotry. The truth is most people do not think it is acceptable for heterosexual males (with their genitals intact no less) to be able to identify as lesbian women and enter lesbian and female only spaces, and this is why exposure of this situation to public scrutiny is being fought against so hard, by activists promoting genderism.

Gallus Meg was very influential in my understanding of the reality of this entire issue.
Abhannmor · 30/04/2021 09:25

@BlackForestCake

a very low point was GC feminists being blamed for violence against trans individuals because having GC views means that others think it acceptable to go out and cause harm

Yes, this is my “favourite" of the ridiculous arguments used by TRAs. We are supposed to believe that transsexual prostitutes in Brazil get murdered because the johns have been reading Julie Bindel. It is utterly deranged.

That made me laugh out loud! Mind you I read some Judith Butler once and felt like killing myself Confused
FreyaFolkvangr · 30/04/2021 10:13

Mind you I read some Judith Butler once and felt like killing myself

Grin Grin Grin

Same!

OhHolyJesus · 30/04/2021 19:43

I returned to the Facebook post to see huge numbers of liked comments in support of LGB, 250-300 likes or ❤️

I hope Pride in London are reading the room, though I'm sure it's too late for them and they are well practised in dismissing criticism, but it is heartening to see, particularly at the end of lesbian visibility week, the support for same-sex attraction (and the homophobia being well and truly called out in a 'robust' fashion).

OhHolyJesus · 30/04/2021 19:46

Therefore, as a lesbian woman I am very heartened when anyone publicly supports my right to say ‘no a male cannot be a lesbian woman’, and ‘no a male is not entitled to enter lesbian spaces, groups, dating apps etc’. I don’t care what the sex or sexuality is of the posters on that Facebook post, or what other political views they may hold, the fact that they are publicly supporting my boundaries as a lesbian woman (female homosexual) by supporting my right to say no to males is great to see.

This brought a tear to my eye, I will forever defend your boundaries. Until my dying day.

StrangeLookingParasite · 30/04/2021 19:59

Therefore, as a lesbian woman I am very heartened when anyone publicly supports my right to say ‘no a male cannot be a lesbian woman’, and ‘no a male is not entitled to enter lesbian spaces, groups, dating apps etc’. I don’t care what the sex or sexuality is of the posters on that Facebook post, or what other political views they may hold, the fact that they are publicly supporting my boundaries as a lesbian woman (female homosexual) by supporting my right to say no to males is great to see.

I will always have your back. Always.

Mollyollydolly · 30/04/2021 20:02

They are still at it on twitter, Pride organisations across the UK attacking LGBA. They are a disgrace. Why cant they stop the bullying and intimidation, it's a really bad look. I don't think I'd ever go to any event associated with Pride ever again.

Deliriumoftheendless · 30/04/2021 20:16

@Erkrie

Obviously we need to include those who identify as deaf too.
Those who identify as deaf when lesbians are speaking?
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