I just came out as GC at work, to the big boss and I feel a bit sick

[JustcameoutGC]

I have NCed for this. I have just outed myself as GC in work to the big boss (and some others cced in).

I was asked to sign off on something that I just couldn't and I said so, and explained why.

I literally feel sick. Like I have put a big fat GC target on my back. My org is totally woke. I wonder how many times my response has been forwarded already.

You don’t ‘come out’ as GC. If I worked with you, I’d be reporting such behaviour for further education and disciplinary action

What is ironic about this is that when it's under pressure, gender ideology retreats into "gender is different from sex."

When the OP points the same thing out as something for her company to keep in mind in what they do, it's grounds for reeducation and some sort of struggle session.

Nothing else matters but submission to the ideology.

It's good to have this demonstrated so regularly.

very effective rebuttal from the distressed pleas of women like me. We are 'weaponising our trauma'.

Nothing but empathy from me.

It's notable that those who decry the 'weaponisation of trauma' are commonly seen to leverage the threat of suicidal ideation or confound the assault/murder rate of people in other very different countries and culture with legislature unlike that in the 4 nations of the UK to coerce an unevidenced legal or social change on the basis of this (non-existent) comparability.

I've recently seen the claim that due diligence or background checks should not be run because they can be tantamount to 'doxxing' for some people.

I don't know what companies or large organisations will do when the harms from such practices become more readily apparent.

Except y'all ("gender critical" people) made such a big deal about asking whether English law used the terms interchangeably. When you found out it does indeed use "sex" and "gender" interchangeably

No it doesn't.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I hope that post is left up.

My thoughts exactly!

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@JustcameoutGC

Thank you all for the support. I made the step in the summer of talking to friends and family about this. That was hard. I have many friends on the other side of the debate, and the pandemic has meant those conversations have been left hanging.

I have been really hesitant to do or say anything in the workplace. But I had to today, primarily because in my professional view there is a reputational risk of our company being associated with exclusive gender neutral language such as cervix havers or chest feeders as well as the risk of confusing the people the material is aimed at. This risk needs to be properly assessed and managed before this radical change in language is adopted. I would have been negligent not to speak up.

This is in addition to my personal views that erasure of women from language, particularly around health, is really damaging and disenfranshising.

I don't think I have ever gotten past a handful of replies to anything I have ever posted. Trending is new to me. I have never been trendy.

Thank you for doing this. With you all the way. 💐

I work in a woke organisation, if I am asked or in a position to say anything I will think of you and press for GC recognition

@PuffItsGone

SweetPetrichor I find your stance terrifying. It’s authoritarian and dangerous.

And rides a coach and horses through safeguarding.

@JustcameoutGC

Thank you all for the support. I made the step in the summer of talking to friends and family about this. That was hard. I have many friends on the other side of the debate, and the pandemic has meant those conversations have been left hanging.

I have been really hesitant to do or say anything in the workplace. But I had to today, primarily because in my professional view there is a reputational risk of our company being associated with exclusive gender neutral language such as cervix havers or chest feeders as well as the risk of confusing the people the material is aimed at. This risk needs to be properly assessed and managed before this radical change in language is adopted. I would have been negligent not to speak up.

This is in addition to my personal views that erasure of women from language, particularly around health, is really damaging and disenfranshising.

I don't think I have ever gotten past a handful of replies to anything I have ever posted. Trending is new to me. I have never been trendy.

Courage calls to courage, thank you for your wise words and clear voice 💪

If this consultation goes the way I fear it's going, I will probably end up being expected to share toileting facilities with my harasser (I already carry a rape alarm and live in fear as it is).

That is fucking awful, @MarieIVanArkleStinks We believe you. Your workplace is guilty of sex discrimination, but is enacting DARVO on you.

Well done and thank you.I am fortunately retired so this isn’t a problem for me,but I do feel for you and all the other GC working women.I know my daughter would face serious consequences if she spoke up in her workplace,although she does quietly do her bit for the cause.One women at a time is her m.o.d.

Well done OP! The mention of "further education" both laughable and chilling in equal measure. I learnt basic biology at primary school, no education needed here. There are two sexes. You can't swap and everyone with half a brain knows this.

If I worked with you, I’d be reporting such behaviour for further education and disciplinary action. I reported similar behaviour relatively recently and it was handled very well. I don’t think you have anything to be proud of here and I hope any decent work place will remind you of company policy and/or professional behaviour.

For reminding colleagues of the legal requirements of the 2010 Equalities Act? You wouldn't get very far.

Wow, interesting thread. Not something I’ve been remotely aware of in real life. If it’s not too outing OP, what industry do you work in?

Except y'all ("gender critical" people) made such a big deal about asking whether English law used the terms interchangeably. When you found out it does indeed use "sex" and "gender" interchangeably, y'all have frantically pretended that didn't happen!

The terms sex and gender (referring to gender identity) were deliberately conflated in the 2004 Gender Recognition Act. Lobby groups Press For Change advised parliamentarians that this confusion of language was neccessary.

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@Dressingdown1

Datun That Twitter thread is scary to read, poor child.

It really is. Made my heart thump. Because, although he got pushback on his thread, there are many people who agree with what he's doing.

See the poster on this very thread recommending disciplinary action.

@OnandOnforHoursandHours

Petrichor, are you seriously suggesting that it’s better to make people afraid of speaking about issues that affect them, their clients and their companies?

At this point, I'm reminded of the child abuse gangs in Rotherham and Rochdale. People were so scared of being called racist if they expressed child welfare concerns regarding some rapists who happened to also be Asian, that they didn't express concerns.

And how did such a environment work out for the most vulnerable, such as teenage girls in care? Badly. They paid the price.

And here, we have a member of this forum boasting they would get a colleague disciplined if she expressed concerns about the impact of using language like "individual with a cervix" on people with poor literacy.

It's always the most vulnerable who pay the price.

Well done OP. We all need to speak up
It's not easy

Thank you, OP . I applaud your courage and stance.

@MeltsAway

If this consultation goes the way I fear it's going, I will probably end up being expected to share toileting facilities with my harasser (I already carry a rape alarm and live in fear as it is).

That is fucking awful, @MarieIVanArkleStinks We believe you. Your workplace is guilty of sex discrimination, but is enacting DARVO on you.

It's bloody awful. A notorious baby killer in the US was transferred into the same prison where the women whose children he killed is housed.

All because of the unhinged notion that men can actually become women.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4219641-ACLU-sues-woman-for-asking-FOIA-request-re-numbers-of-trans-prisoners

I have a reasonable vocabulary, but I genuinely run out of words.

Well done op.

Yeah, the vulnerable are paying the price and it’s not you lot, or me. It’s not women. I will proudly stand for gender neutral language, I will happily roll my eyes any woman I see wearing a daft slogan about what they think makes a woman. I am proud to stand against negativity towards transgender or non-binary colleagues, be that direct or through unprofessional word choices or opinions. They have no place in the workplace. I’m glad it is taken seriously and I’m glad the person was disciplined. I’d hope that was always the case.
I think people are more than capable of working out whether they are a person with a cervix, and that choice of language protects men who still have a cervix. We are not defined by our body parts. Is a women any less of a woman after a double mastectomy? Or after a hysterectomy? No, of course not.

The world has gone mad if we can't call Women ''Women''
''Cervix havers?''
''Chest feeders?''

No, these are Women.

It is indeed like some ghastly Orwellian nightmare.

I think people are more than capable of working out whether they are a person with a cervix,

I'd be very interested to know how.

If I worked with you, I’d be reporting such behaviour for further education and disciplinary action.

But you've also said how much you hate working with women. You've said on MN that Women are bitches.

So reporting a colleague would simply be an extension of what looks like - going by your posts - your bullying tendency.

think people are more than capable of working out whether they are a person with a cervix,

And you'd be wrong. But given that you don't seem to care much about the well-being of women either physically or mentally, that doesn't surprise me at all.