I just came out as GC at work, to the big boss and I feel a bit sick

[JustcameoutGC]

I have NCed for this. I have just outed myself as GC in work to the big boss (and some others cced in).

I was asked to sign off on something that I just couldn't and I said so, and explained why.

I literally feel sick. Like I have put a big fat GC target on my back. My org is totally woke. I wonder how many times my response has been forwarded already.

@PotholeHellhole

Do you have access to survey data that confirms that this is the universal lay term amongst teen girls? I have NEVER heard it referred to this way.

It is always HPV vaccine. In part because this is terminology pushed by HCPs, because they do not want vaccine recipients to be lulled into a false sense of security, that would lead them to miss cervical screening later.

No.

But I did have mine 12 years ago, and lived through the campaign if the age being dropped.

My nurse friends have said similar about always calling it the HPV and one in particular says the same about screening being dismissed.

We derail.

@SmokedDuck

I would also point out, there are a heck of a lot of people that learn stuff in school that doesn't really seem to enter their brains at all, or if it does, it makes a very swift exit.

Very true.

Maths for me .

@Butwasitherdriveway

You're just wrong I'm afraid. Did you miss my post where I asked my 14 year old dd whether she or her dad had a cervix and she didn't know? She is clever, doing biology and predicted grade 7 to 8 in that subject at GCSE. Also had had the HPV vaccine. But still doesn't know. This maybe inconvenient for your narrative but you can't language this away. It is a fact whether you like it or not.

I've met people here in Canada unaware that we have a Queen.

[quote allaboutthecrisps]@Butwasitherdriveway

You're just wrong I'm afraid. Did you miss my post where I asked my 14 year old dd whether she or her dad had a cervix and she didn't know? She is clever, doing biology and predicted grade 7 to 8 in that subject at GCSE. Also had had the HPV vaccine. But still doesn't know. This maybe inconvenient for your narrative but you can't language this away. It is a fact whether you like it or not.[/quote]
It was your post I didn't believe, if I'm honest.

They are using a vulnerable group to try and make their very clever point . Not on.

Vulnerable women and children are the ones most at risk in almost all situations relating to current trans rights activism. Women in prison, girls in care and young lesbians are some of those who are particularly likely to be negatively affected.

Are you suggesting we should never mention those groups?

Or is your issue an attempt to discredit one specific poster who stated something about teenager and others who defended the possibility that what they said was accurate?

Just as before that you singled out the OP for language you disapproved of.

This is a very useful thread. Perhaps we could return to the original point of the discussion, which was to discuss the feelings of fear that women experience when they are unable to avoid stating at work that they disagree with the current direction that trans lobby groups are taking us in.

This has been an amazing thread for shining sunlight. Let's be careful not to let it go down a path that ends up in deletion.

The wider topics that have surfaced beyond the OP's individual action would certainly IMO justify threads in their own right.

Except I point blank refuse to believe someone's TEENAGER daughter currently in existence somewhere between 13 and 18 doesn't know they have a cervix.

Just asked my eldest, driveway. She's top set IGCSE Biology & predicted a 9.

She knew it was a body part, guessed it was something to do with the genitals or possibly the digestive system, & was able to hazard that the people in the house who had one probably included herself, me & her dsister whilst excluding her dbrother. 👍

Younger dd had no idea. None. When I narrowed it down to 'car, body part, or bird?' she went for bird 😂.

Both of them are teenagers & both quite bright.

Round here, the adults refer to the HPV jab. The kids call it the fanny cancer jab. Never heard any of them refer to the cervical cancer jab.

If children are taught that some people have a cervix, and others don't, how do those children know whether they are in the group that has a cervix or those that don't, driveways?
As a teen, no-one singled me out and told me directly that I have a cervix.

@CorvusPurpureus

Except I point blank refuse to believe someone's TEENAGER daughter currently in existence somewhere between 13 and 18 doesn't know they have a cervix.

Just asked my eldest, driveway. She's top set IGCSE Biology & predicted a 9.

She knew it was a body part, guessed it was something to do with the genitals or possibly the digestive system, & was able to hazard that the people in the house who had one probably included herself, me & her dsister whilst excluding her dbrother. 👍

Younger dd had no idea. None. When I narrowed it down to 'car, body part, or bird?' she went for bird 😂.

Both of them are teenagers & both quite bright.

Oh don't I'm buckled

@AngelicInnocent

Round here, the adults refer to the HPV jab. The kids call it the fanny cancer jab. Never heard any of them refer to the cervical cancer jab.

Fanny cancer

Right no I accept defeat 😭😭😂😂😂 is it a fanny cancer ? Is it a bird? No it's your cervix.

I'm appalled. I mean really. Or naive. One of the two.

We derail.

Indeed.

@AnyOldPrion

They are using a vulnerable group to try and make their very clever point . Not on.

Vulnerable women and children are the ones most at risk in almost all situations relating to current trans rights activism. Women in prison, girls in care and young lesbians are some of those who are particularly likely to be negatively affected.

Are you suggesting we should never mention those groups?

Or is your issue an attempt to discredit one specific poster who stated something about teenager and others who defended the possibility that what they said was accurate?

Just as before that you singled out the OP for language you disapproved of.

This is a very useful thread. Perhaps we could return to the original point of the discussion, which was to discuss the feelings of fear that women experience when they are unable to avoid stating at work that they disagree with the current direction that trans lobby groups are taking us in.

But that wasn't rrhe original thread was it.

It was whether oP was right to say those things to her boss.

Your emotive language about women and fear and trans lobby groups is a total derail.

@Butwasitherdriveway

Well I'm afraid it is true! Surely you van see how much confirmatory bias you are blinded by here? You can't just decide to disbelieve all of us who are sharing experiences different from your expectations. There must come a point where you are willing to consider that you are wrong, surely? If we want to change the language maybe firstvwr need proper research on the impact of that as condemning females to poorer health care just as some people have decided their ability to guess at other people's knowledge is above and beyond the average person is just not good enough.

This is a very useful thread. Perhaps we could return to the original point of the discussion, which was to discuss the feelings of fear that women experience when they are unable to avoid stating at work that they disagree with the current direction that trans lobby groups are taking us in.
I agree. I am very careful what I say at work, not because I think there's anything outrageous about my views but because I'm in an organisation that constantly has to bid for funding, and increasingly that funding comes with strings.

'are you saying we should never mention these groups'

No . It was disabilities I was talking about . Lesbians have nothing to do with anything I was talking about.

This is what I mean by the MN mantra of 'ah so you are saying 'shoehorn emotive topic that never mentioned '

@Floisme

This is a very useful thread. Perhaps we could return to the original point of the discussion, which was to discuss the feelings of fear that women experience when they are unable to avoid stating at work that they disagree with the current direction that trans lobby groups are taking us in. I agree. I am very careful what I say at work, not because I think there's anything outrageous about my views but because I'm in an organisation that constantly has to bid for funding, and increasingly that funding comes with strings.

This is what I mean.

Someone I know was ousted after years Inna company after a reshuffle.

Two went . Both long serving , skilled, hard working Union reps.

Boss's relative of a few months stayed.

Shock

[quote allaboutthecrisps]@Butwasitherdriveway

Well I'm afraid it is true! Surely you van see how much confirmatory bias you are blinded by here? You can't just decide to disbelieve all of us who are sharing experiences different from your expectations. There must come a point where you are willing to consider that you are wrong, surely? If we want to change the language maybe firstvwr need proper research on the impact of that as condemning females to poorer health care just as some people have decided their ability to guess at other people's knowledge is above and beyond the average person is just not good enough.[/quote]
I already have. See above.

@CorvusPurpureus

What does one call a group of cervixes?

Sorry I hit 'post' too soon: I'm in an organisation that constantly has to bid for funding, and increasingly that funding comes with strings. I suspect it's only a matter of time before one of those 'strings' will consist of applying to become a Stonewall Champion.

Except I point blank refuse to believe someone's TEENAGER daughter currently in existence somewhere between 13 and 18 doesn't know they have a cervix.

Then you're quite uninformed about this issue. Maybe if you read some of the threads about it you would understand why it's not accessible language for many women and girls.

So @Butwasitherdriveway I guess that puts the OP In a different light. She was standing up for people who would potentially be disadvantaged by the convoluted language suggested. Thank goodness.