I just came out as GC at work, to the big boss and I feel a bit sick

[JustcameoutGC]

I have NCed for this. I have just outed myself as GC in work to the big boss (and some others cced in).

I was asked to sign off on something that I just couldn't and I said so, and explained why.

I literally feel sick. Like I have put a big fat GC target on my back. My org is totally woke. I wonder how many times my response has been forwarded already.

@Datun

Butwasitherdriveway

This faux stupidity drives me bonkers.

Well, can you answer the question?

If someone doesn't know they have a cervix , I worry about them having a job and a life.

So that's a no then. A very obvious and transparent no.

I have answered you.

Any answer I give you will just result in you prattling on about cervix Havers, but still doesn't explain how a teenager who was alive and having sex ed and possibly a cervical cancer injection doesn't know she has a cervix.

Your point is very clever, but relies solely on the term cervix haver, which we actually don't use.

"Except I point blank refuse to believe someone's TEENAGER daughter currently in existence somewhere between 13 and 18 doesn't know they have a cervix."

Really? You can't imagine any young people with literacy problems, learning difficulties, with EAL, or from cultural backgrounds where parents may not be willing or able discuss these things?

I have answered you.
Where?

OTT extreme example that someone with a learning disability doesn't know they have a cervix?

I am sick fed up of people pulling this card as a gotcha.

People with disabilities are not a gotcha moment.

I don't consider the first to be an OTT example - however, it might depend on whether or not you are familiar with the number of people who have learning disabilities in England/Wales, the UK or parts of it. And, within that, it would depend on the level of learning disability, and even the age of those people and the education that was available to them at various points over the last (say) half-century. So, I wouldn't expect there to be a lack of understanding over male/female but I would not be taken aback to read a survey that gave a low level of awareness of the cervix. Overall, the size of the population might surprise you (or not).

Likewise. Couldn't agree more about using a group of people to score political points. - It's rather akin to the pleas of some people with a rare developmental disorder (group A) not to be used as political cover by activists in other areas (group B) who are polluting the hard won understanding that group A has achieved.

However, many of the posters on this thread are typically sympathetic to group A - so, although this is a different area, I accept that they are correctly expressing concern for the need for clarity in health messages and other communications.*

*Yes, I am aware of how unclear my own writing is. I'm prepared to say this is a largely FWR-related phenomenon and is the consequence of conforming to the specific rules here.

@Floisme

I have answered you. Where?

I said further up thread similar to my earlier post.

There is nothing I could say that you couldt or wouldn't retaliate with your rather laboured cervix haver point, and that's your point. It's all very clever. But not really connected to the real world.

I knew I had a cervix because sex ed taught me so and I had a cervical cancer injection.

Now, I appreciate in years to come these things could change, but for a CURRENT teenager, they haven't.

@Mibbiesaye

"Except I point blank refuse to believe someone's TEENAGER daughter currently in existence somewhere between 13 and 18 doesn't know they have a cervix."

Really? You can't imagine any young people with literacy problems, learning difficulties, with EAL, or from cultural backgrounds where parents may not be willing or able discuss these things?

As I said upthread . Extreme examples. There is always one.

All those examples are from pupils in the school I work in. I wish they were extreme.

@EmbarrassingAdmissions

OTT extreme example that someone with a learning disability doesn't know they have a cervix?

I am sick fed up of people pulling this card as a gotcha.

People with disabilities are not a gotcha moment.

I don't consider the first to be an OTT example - however, it might depend on whether or not you are familiar with the number of people who have learning disabilities in England/Wales, the UK or parts of it. And, within that, it would depend on the level of learning disability, and even the age of those people and the education that was available to them at various points over the last (say) half-century. So, I wouldn't expect there to be a lack of understanding over male/female but I would not be taken aback to read a survey that gave a low level of awareness of the cervix. Overall, the size of the population might surprise you (or not).

Likewise. Couldn't agree more about using a group of people to score political points. - It's rather akin to the pleas of some people with a rare developmental disorder (group A) not to be used as political cover by activists in other areas (group B) who are polluting the hard won understanding that group A has achieved.

However, many of the posters on this thread are typically sympathetic to group A - so, although this is a different area, I accept that they are correctly expressing concern for the need for clarity in health messages and other communications.*

*Yes, I am aware of how unclear my own writing is. I'm prepared to say this is a largely FWR-related phenomenon and is the consequence of conforming to the specific rules here.

If only this as true.

They are using a vulnerable group to try and make their very clever point . Not on.

Weirdly enough it's this same group who does the wide eyed faux not understanding how some peoole believe they can change sex when it goes against what they know. Because apparently there's only examples of those outside the box when it suits.

@Mibbiesaye

All those examples are from pupils in the school I work in. I wish they were extreme.

And your knowledge on whether or not they know they have a cervix is based on?

There’s an article here by a member of the NHS web team on why they decided to use the words ‘poo’ and ‘pee’ for maximum accessibility. She says ‘We think it’s important to use the language that’s most widely understood – by people of different ages and literacy levels.’

That would be ‘woman’, not ‘person with a cervix’.

digital.nhs.uk/blog/transformation-blog/2019/pee-and-poo-and-the-language-of-health

"your knowledge on whether or not they know they have a cervix is based on"

The level of literacy intervention required, as well as pupils not participating in any sex ed lessons.

I spotted these words up thread: cervical cancer injection

This is not usual terminology at all.

It is a vaccination against multiple strains of HPV, not a cervical cancer injection.

As it's not called the cervical cancer injection (because that would be inaccurate), that can't be proof that an entire generation of teenagers have grown up able to immediately recognise the word cervix and realise whether they're the target audience in health literature that references the cervix.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/hpv-human-papillomavirus-vaccine/

I said further up thread similar to my earlier post.
I'm not sure what you mean? Are you saying you've already answered upthread? Because if that's the case then I I'm afraid I can't see it so maybe you could point out where and then we could all move on?

Or are you saying you don't want to / can't answer?
Saying you were taught in sex ed that you had a cervix isn't really an answer is it, because the point is, how did they know to teach you that?

' my org is totally woke'
what does that mean OP?

Oh FFS. I have a 16yo with a LD that knows she’s a girl but doesn’t know what a cervix is or that she’s got one.
I can’t imagine many of her peers at school know about cervices and prostates either.
Convinced yet Butwas?

@Quadzilla

Oh FFS. I have a 16yo with a LD that knows she’s a girl but doesn’t know what a cervix is or that she’s got one. I can’t imagine many of her peers at school know about cervices and prostates either. Convinced yet Butwas?

I don't want to deny the experiences of parents but no.

And if this is the case, I'm horrified.

Is this because of the movements though? Or a general teenage thing?

@Floisme

I said further up thread similar to my earlier post. I'm not sure what you mean? Are you saying you've already answered upthread? Because if that's the case then I I'm afraid I can't see it so maybe you could point out where and then we could all move on?

Or are you saying you don't want to / can't answer?
Saying you were taught in sex ed that you had a cervix isn't really an answer is it, because the point is, how did they know to teach you that?

Because it's a fact?

[quote PotholeHellhole]I spotted these words up thread: cervical cancer injection

This is not usual terminology at all.

It is a vaccination against multiple strains of HPV, not a cervical cancer injection.

As it's not called the cervical cancer injection (because that would be inaccurate), that can't be proof that an entire generation of teenagers have grown up able to immediately recognise the word cervix and realise whether they're the target audience in health literature that references the cervix.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/hpv-human-papillomavirus-vaccine/[/quote]
Yes that was me.

It is very much referred to as that, throughout schools. Maybe it's not the medical term, but that's what it was referred to following the death of Jade Goody.i remember, i was the first year to have it.

[quote EmpressWitchDoesntBurn]There’s an article here by a member of the NHS web team on why they decided to use the words ‘poo’ and ‘pee’ for maximum accessibility. She says ‘We think it’s important to use the language that’s most widely understood – by people of different ages and literacy levels.’

That would be ‘woman’, not ‘person with a cervix’.

digital.nhs.uk/blog/transformation-blog/2019/pee-and-poo-and-the-language-of-health[/quote]
I've attended events where Sarah Wilcox has been one of the speakers - she's very good.

Ultimately, I don't know what can be done to address the concerns of hyper-self-centred people whose disdain for the actual (health) literacy level of their fellow citizens trumps any concern about clear communications.

[To be absolutely clear, despite the intolerant attitudes that some of those commenters display when arguing about terms like 'pee' and 'poo' - I doubt anyone would suggest that they need re-education, disciplinary action etc. or affect to have doubts about their ability to hold down a job or live a reasonable life.]

Is it a fact for all teenagers? And if not, which ones?

@Mibbiesaye

"your knowledge on whether or not they know they have a cervix is based on"

The level of literacy intervention required, as well as pupils not participating in any sex ed lessons.

Fair enough I'm not from England and our demographic is a bit different..

I'm in Scotland. Every secondary school I have worked in has had pupils without basic literacy skills, as well as pupils whose parents remove them from RE/PSE/certain biology lessons. Surely this isn't news to anyone?

Do you have access to survey data that confirms that this is the universal lay term amongst teen girls? I have NEVER heard it referred to this way.

It is always HPV vaccine. In part because this is terminology pushed by HCPs, because they do not want vaccine recipients to be lulled into a false sense of security, that would lead them to miss cervical screening later.

@Mibbiesaye

I'm in Scotland. Every secondary school I have worked in has had pupils without basic literacy skills, as well as pupils whose parents remove them from RE/PSE/certain biology lessons. Surely this isn't news to anyone?

I haven't come across many who are removed from PSE.

RE is a different kettle of fish.

I would also point out, there are a heck of a lot of people that learn stuff in school that doesn't really seem to enter their brains at all, or if it does, it makes a very swift exit.