I just came out as GC at work, to the big boss and I feel a bit sick

[JustcameoutGC]

I have NCed for this. I have just outed myself as GC in work to the big boss (and some others cced in).

I was asked to sign off on something that I just couldn't and I said so, and explained why.

I literally feel sick. Like I have put a big fat GC target on my back. My org is totally woke. I wonder how many times my response has been forwarded already.

And also, if the idea is to remove the word "Frau" so transmen don't get upset by being reminded that they are women but then replace Frau with a term that contains "to birth" and "mother" I'm not sure that this makes any significant difference to transmen.

In UK there appears to be a trend amongst some women's health organisations use 'gynae' as an inclusive catch all.

Wiki
"The word "gynaecology" comes from the oblique stem (γυναικ-) of the Greek word γυνή (gyne) semantically attached to "woman", and -logia, with the semantic attachment "study".

Which rather begs the question how inclusive/rational is it to use a Greek word for the study of woman's health in order to avoid the word woman?

There's no logic ROwantrees it's just a powerplay really.

@Igneococcus

The fact that Scotland are even considering including some similar law is terrifyingly close to home,

The hate crime bill was voted through ThumbWitchesAbroad

Well that sucks then, doesn't it. I wasn't sure if it had become law yet.

I live in hope that the Queen refuses to sign of that piece of shite lawmaking.

for you OP.

I am a well educated woman, but I swear to you that until my late twenties, after I had had 3 children, that I thought wee came out of your vagina. I couldn’t understand why tampons didn’t get soaked and need changing every time you went to the loo.

So I can well understand that people don’t know whether they have a cervix. Clarity of language when it comes to medical matters is vital.

They were using gender as a euphemism for sex.

I suspect part of the problem may be related to many of the computer systems used in the NHS and probably veterinary practices having been imported from the USA

There's no logic ROwantrees it's just a powerplay really.

Its revealing that its a powerplay by/ colluded with those familiar with the word 'gynaecology' who fail to consider the impact on the many people who for various reasons would be unfamiliar.

My understanding was that health messaging was supposed to be as clear and direct as possible, avoiding euphemism and jargon.

I suspect part of the problem may be related to many of the computer systems used in the NHS and probably veterinary practices having been imported from the USA

So many of these problems have been the unquestioned import of things from USA.

@SweetPetrichor

You don’t ‘come out’ as GC. If I worked with you, I’d be reporting such behaviour for further education and disciplinary action. I reported similar behaviour relatively recently and it was handled very well. I don’t think you have anything to be proud of here and I hope any decent work place will remind you of company policy and/or professional behaviour.

Wow, that really sounds like you reported someone for having the wrong thoughts.

OP it seems very strange to say that you are brave for pointing out to your work, something that could be detrimental to them, but it seems these are the signs of the times. Imagine what punishment people like SweetPetrichor would see you face if you’d spoken up earlier, when your own personal line in the sand had been crossed, or like many people not aware of the situation, had, in all innocence said “but women don’t have penises ”

for you OP for your push against the madness.

[quote DrawingLife]@poppycat10

"gender reassignment" is the term used in the Equality Act 2010 for people with a trans identity and it doesn't require the person to undergo any physical changes at all.

It's the correct term to use on lists of the protected characteristics that organisations need to be mindful of not discriminating against. Many use wrong and ambiguous terms like "gender identity" or "gender" and many leave out "sex" altogether, despite it being a separate protected characteristic, namely the one that protects women's right to single sex spaces.[/quote]
I’ve checked and am pleased to see my organisation uses the correct list, unedited!

[quote Trixie78]@SweetPetrichor

You don’t ‘come out’ as GC. If I worked with you, I’d be reporting such behaviour for further education and disciplinary action. I reported similar behaviour relatively recently and it was handled very well. I don’t think you have anything to be proud of here and I hope any decent work place will remind you of company policy and/or professional behaviour.

You must be a joy to work with 🍩[/quote]
What ‘behaviour’?

Mmn654123 exactly, it sounds like they haven’t actually done anything except have the “wrong thoughts”

no longer let people use the word gender unchallenged. If they mean sex then they need to say sex because that's half the bloody problem these days

I've also corrected people in the workplace in a meeting when they said gender but unequivocally meant biological sex. Even had to explain "non binary". Shockingly, the views expressed by senior colleagues on gender identity were not fully in line with company diversity policy. I probably should have reported us all (myself included) for re-education and discipline, perhaps a spell in a gulag.

It will take a while, but these new laws will not survive the sunlight of publicity. This will be seen, in time, as a moment of collective madness, when a group of men claimed (against all logic and reason) that they were women, and for some incomprehensible reason, governments went along with it

I certainly hope so, @AnyOldPrion - I really appreciate your optimism and rationality. I view a future dominated by gender ideology extremist ideas with a sense of heavy deja vu - I remember the news reports of legislation such as equal pay, abolition of rape in marriage, maternity leave at work, and all sorts of other steps forward to recognising women as fully human.

I think a lot of young "woke" activists who call themselves feminists, don't quite realise how fragile their rights are, because they've not lived in a world without them, nor seen the work required to fight for those rights.

This is an interesting thread. I hadn’t quite put it together, but a few years ago a female colleague was repeatedly sexually harassed by a transwoman colleague.

The outcome of the disciplinary action against the transwoman was that the transwoman was redeployed to another department, and my colleague was told to attend diversity training.

At the time we were bemused and thought the HT department was just a bit shit, but looking back from here, I can see my colleague had been found guilty of wrongthink.

HR. Doh!

MeltsAway

I think a lot of young "woke" activists who call themselves feminists, don't quite realise how fragile their rights are, because they've not lived in a world without them, nor seen the work required to fight for those rights.

I agree that this is a huge factor, I make a point of telling my kids what was unavailable to me at their age just due to being female, and what things I benefited from which had been won by battles fought by older women.

However, I think an additional issue is that an awful lot of older women are just clueless because they have been fortunate to not have encountered sexism working against them in their lives and do not have the interest and / or imagination to appreciate how women are affected by this.

Then there is the opposite problem to this which is the personal. Due to the explosion of trans-identifying individuals, there are more people now who know someone who is trans, and they base their opinion solely on the basis of the people they know, they take it as a personal attack on their friends or family when GC men or women try to exclude them, they cannot seem to comprehend that it is the same as me excluding my husband even though everyone who knows him knows he's a good bloke.

@AsMuchUseAsAMarzipanDildo

Is a women any less of a woman after a double mastectomy? Or after a hysterectomy? No, of course not.

This argument always makes me laugh, it’s such an own goal.

I am a well educated woman, but I swear to you that until my late twenties, after I had had 3 children, that I thought wee came out of your vagina. I couldn’t understand why tampons didn’t get soaked and need changing every time you went to the loo.

There's a comic that depicts a conversation between two very young children (a girl and a trans girl) and the latter is describing how her clitoris (yes this is the word used) is larger than her friend's, so much so that it's usually considered a penis. Her friend asks if she can pee through hers and remarks how handy that must be for camping. The restyling of anatomy and physiology to fit untruths is common. It's important not to add to it.

Comic image: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4174892-Creator-of-assigned-male-comics-is-a-little#prettyPhoto/1/

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4174892-Creator-of-assigned-male-comics-is-a-little

This is an interesting thread. I hadn’t quite put it together, but a few years ago a female colleague was repeatedly sexually harassed by a transwoman colleague.

The outcome of the disciplinary action against the transwoman was that the transwoman was redeployed to another department, and my colleague was told to attend diversity training.

That's appalling.

[quote EmbarrassingAdmissions]I am a well educated woman, but I swear to you that until my late twenties, after I had had 3 children, that I thought wee came out of your vagina. I couldn’t understand why tampons didn’t get soaked and need changing every time you went to the loo.

There's a comic that depicts a conversation between two very young children (a girl and a trans girl) and the latter is describing how her clitoris (yes this is the word used) is larger than her friend's, so much so that it's usually considered a penis. Her friend asks if she can pee through hers and remarks how handy that must be for camping. The restyling of anatomy and physiology to fit untruths is common. It's important not to add to it.

Comic image: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4174892-Creator-of-assigned-male-comics-is-a-little#prettyPhoto/1/

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4174892-Creator-of-assigned-male-comics-is-a-little[/quote]
Gah, I just realised that might read as a criticism of the PP I'd quoted - it's not. Misunderstandings about medical matters and healthcare are common enough even when people have rich educations, well above average literacy levels etc. - So it's important to keep plain language and to report accurately and without introducing needless complexity or obscurity.

@WiseUpJanetWeiss

This is an interesting thread. I hadn’t quite put it together, but a few years ago a female colleague was repeatedly sexually harassed by a transwoman colleague.

The outcome of the disciplinary action against the transwoman was that the transwoman was redeployed to another department, and my colleague was told to attend diversity training.

At the time we were bemused and thought the HT department was just a bit shit, but looking back from here, I can see my colleague had been found guilty of wrongthink.

So she was told to have diversity training after she was sexually harassed? That's insane if so. Do you know if she complied?

@WiseUpJanetWeiss

This is an interesting thread. I hadn’t quite put it together, but a few years ago a female colleague was repeatedly sexually harassed by a transwoman colleague.

The outcome of the disciplinary action against the transwoman was that the transwoman was redeployed to another department, and my colleague was told to attend diversity training.

At the time we were bemused and thought the HT department was just a bit shit, but looking back from here, I can see my colleague had been found guilty of wrongthink.

More of this to come. Watch this space.

🦡🌈🤍

What is a GC?

Sorry having gone back and actually read the thread I now know what it means. I think. I have honestly never heard of this term before!

I am still confused as to why you would "come out" as being GC? Has something happened in your work place in particular? It just seems a strange turn of phrase. Excuse my ignorance, I have really never heard of this!