I just came out as GC at work, to the big boss and I feel a bit sick

[JustcameoutGC]

I have NCed for this. I have just outed myself as GC in work to the big boss (and some others cced in).

I was asked to sign off on something that I just couldn't and I said so, and explained why.

I literally feel sick. Like I have put a big fat GC target on my back. My org is totally woke. I wonder how many times my response has been forwarded already.

@poppycat10

Although just having read the point about the policy above, I see I am wrong. But I do think there is a distinction to be drawn between gender reassignment, and "I want to be called a woman today".

In today's world you are no longer allowed to distinguish, doing so makes you the bad person. I know this isnt the best way to put it but I'm tired and trying to not get deleted or banned.

Well done OP.

Well done brave OP... You did a very important thing today. The feeling of sickness might wear off in a few days. I outed myself one week ago and feel so much better one week later (with some help from lovely posters here) after a mentally tough few days.

Well done, and thank you OP x

That film about Ruth Bader Ginsburg "On the basis of sex" shows where the stupid conflation between gender and sex comes in. The title is good, the fight is good, but when it comes to her write up of it, they make her change the title to gender instead of sex because of the twee pearl-clutchers who don't want to hear the word sex in public.

I no longer let people use the word gender unchallenged. If they mean sex then they need to say sex because that's half the bloody problem these days. Some "naice" ladies-in-particular still can't sully their fingers by typing sex, or their mouths by saying it - but we have to get past that now and use the correct terminology.

@SweetPetrichor

You don’t ‘come out’ as GC. If I worked with you, I’d be reporting such behaviour for further education and disciplinary action. I reported similar behaviour relatively recently and it was handled very well. I don’t think you have anything to be proud of here and I hope any decent work place will remind you of company policy and/or professional behaviour.

You must be a joy to work with 🍩

In what way is your organisation woke?

@ThumbWitchesAbroad

That film about Ruth Bader Ginsburg "On the basis of sex" shows where the stupid conflation between gender and sex comes in. The title is good, the fight is good, but when it comes to her write up of it, they make her change the title to gender instead of sex because of the twee pearl-clutchers who don't want to hear the word sex in public.

I no longer let people use the word gender unchallenged. If they mean sex then they need to say sex because that's half the bloody problem these days. Some "naice" ladies-in-particular still can't sully their fingers by typing sex, or their mouths by saying it - but we have to get past that now and use the correct terminology.

I think you are right. One of the terms we seem stuck with is "the gender pay gap", which is a problem since it very much highlights the issue of the workplace treatment of those who do inconvenient things like get pregnant ("people who can get pregnant" - I'm sure there's a word for them ).

Unfortunately, I fear "sex pay gap" will sound to some ears like it might be referring to something completely different...

re. the madness subsiding - I really fecking hope so but I have my doubts!
There is a man in prison in Canada at the moment because he refused to call his daughter his son, and because he was trying to stop her having life-changing medical treatment, while his now-ex wife supported the girl in her bid.

Victoria state in Australia has recently passed an "anti conversion therapy bill" that would have been a great thing, if the TRA lobby hadn't hijacked it - so now if someone presents as trans, the only option is "affirmation", no one can risk suggesting they might need therapy or anything else without coming up against the possibility of a $10,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison. How is this sane?

Norway have the "thought police" law in place now where if you are reported as having been "transphobic" in your own home even, you can be convicted of hate speech and go to prison. This would obviously entail someone else in your home reporting you - echoing what happened in early Communist China under Mao, and of Hitler Youth in Germany.

The fact that Scotland are even considering including some similar law is terrifyingly close to home, and NSW (the Australian state I live in) have said they will follow VIC with their anti-conversion therapy law very quickly.

If people want to know how and why this state of affairs has come about, the best thing to do is to follow the money - who is making the money out of this, and who is driving it, supplying the funding. I'm not going to link because last time I did, MNHQ deleted my post - but if you search, you can find. If anyone has decided they are also now GC, then Glinner (Graham Linehan) is a good source of info too - despised by the TRAs, he's one of the few males who have come in for some serious backlash from them, but he keeps going.

The Red Guard/1984/thought police aspect of all this became very very obvious when Maya Forstater lost her job, and when JKR got targeted for supporting her. The sheer volume of venomous and violent posts on twitter aimed at JKR was horrifying, and it's still ongoing.

“You might be surprised at how few people (including women) know exactly what/where a cervix is”

I was on my training as a HCP before I knew - I am a pretty intelligent person but admittedly pre internet hadn’t really got a clue.

@Ritasueandbobtoo9

“You might be surprised at how few people (including women) know exactly what/where a cervix is”

I was on my training as a HCP before I knew - I am a pretty intelligent person but admittedly pre internet hadn’t really got a clue.

I was a proper adult and everything before I realised the uterus and the womb are the same thing.

I swear to god I'm not a thicksickle. I don't know what the fuck happened that I didn't know this.

🦡🌈🤍

Well done OP

@TheTamingOfTheresa

Good for you

Seems like common sense to me and would no doubt viewed as such by 99 percent of people if asked!

OP, you are really brave. I do hope you are ok and will be ok. People like you are making a huge difference.

If we could respect people's request to identify as whatever gender they prefer while protecting sex-based rights and using anatomically correct, sex-based language there might actually be a way forward.

It’s hard to understand why this view is so controversial that if you posted it on Twitter, you’d probably receive rape threats and death threats.

I’m so glad I don’t work with you. I would have to have my phone out under the desk googling “what is GC?” 😂 I was thinking Gluten??...What a load of bollix! The world has well and truly gone mad!

Well done OP. Some people I work with cannot literally understand the issue at all and jump on the woke bandwagon.I suspect more people than you think agree with you but just can’t be seen to.

Late to the party, but well done, OP.

I'm out, too, in an organisation where the top dogs are incredibly hostile to anyone expressing GC opinions, but where most people are fine, whether they agree with me or not. The more of us who are out, the easier it is for other people to join us.

re. the madness subsiding - I really fecking hope so but I have my doubts!

I agree that the current situation is very dark. The Denton’s document is a real eye-opener as to how we have arrived here and the absolute intention of those pushing this to do so under the radar as they know how unpopular it will be:

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/dentons-campaigns-kids-switch-gender-without-parental-approval

But there’s a reason why they have taken that tactic to it’s extremes. They are fully aware that they will receive pushback when the wider public finds out. These laws are not unpopular because everyone is transphobic. They are unpopular because as soon as you begin to examine them, it’s obvious they are unreasonable and unfair.

The clash with women’s rights was noted, accepted and understood when the GRA was brought in (deliberately kept quiet as acknowledged by C. Burns see Guardian link).

www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/22/voices-from-trans-community-prejudice

Pushing unfair and unreasonable laws through is, of course, possible if you have enough influence through quiet pushes into influential positions as well as through monetarised lobbying. But keeping unfair and unreasonable laws in place when the public finds out and finally begins to push back will ultimately fail.

It can take a long time to get laws repealed, which is why it’s good that women in the UK woke up and began the pushback before self-ID was pushed through. But it will occur.

In Norway a trans campaigner recently announced they had reported a politician to the police for saying only women could have babies. It turned out it was a false claim, but I believe there will be women who are willing to risk a prison sentence to highlight how ludicrous the law is.

Publicity through campaigns by women are what will end this. Additionally I think there will be ongoing publicity as more problems with WPATH and the intense push for medical transitioning of children comes to light.

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Bell-v-Tavistock-Judgment.pdf

It will take a while, but these new laws will not survive the sunlight of publicity. This will be seen, in time, as a moment of collective madness, when a group of men claimed (against all logic and reason) that they were women, and for some incomprehensible reason, governments went along with it.

@Ritasueandbobtoo9

“You might be surprised at how few people (including women) know exactly what/where a cervix is”

I was on my training as a HCP before I knew - I am a pretty intelligent person but admittedly pre internet hadn’t really got a clue.

" I was a proper adult and everything before I realised the uterus and the womb are the same thing.

I swear to god I'm not a thicksickle. I don't know what the fuck happened that I didn't know this."

🦡🌈🤍

Oh no, same badger. I don't recall ot being talked about in Biology or PHSE classes at all.

So if I'd got my first smear test invite and th letter and leaflet had just referred to "people with a cervix"...well, I dunno

@phodopus

I totally agree with you that "Frau/Frauen" should be used rather than "Für Menschen mit Einem Gebärmutterhals" but there is at least some indication in that word that it is about women which is missing in cervix if you don't already know what cervix means.
And also, if the idea is to remove the word "Frau" so transmen don't get upset by being reminded that they are women but then replace Frau with a term that contains "to birth" and "mother" I'm not sure that this makes any significant difference to transmen.

@nocoolnamesleft

Okay, let's demonstrate just how unclear the language becomes. The original plural of cervix is cervices. Cervixes is a relatively recent usage. How many women would know they were being targeted by a health campaign for people with cervices?

This is a very real concern. People here may not realise it, because if you’re wanging about on a website like this, it’s not you, but:

16.4% of adults in England, or 7.1 million people, can be described as having 'very poor literacy skills.' They can understand short straightforward texts on familiar topics accurately and independently, and obtain information from everyday sources, but reading information from unfamiliar sources, or on unfamiliar topics, could cause problems. This is also known as being functionally illiterate

literacytrust.org.uk/parents-and-families/adult-literacy/

So when we start mangling the English language like this, we are excluding millions of people who couldn’t understand the phrase “people with cervices” if they were given a leaflet or saw a poster, but who would understand the word “woman”.

According to Jo’s trust, nearly 50% of women don’t know what a cervix is, and this is higher in BAME communities, so again, this is a vast population to exclude or confuse, and it impacts most on populations already more vulnerable to poor health care.

My reading of the OP is that she may be trying to avoid the exclusion of this population, and it’s a measure of the sheer insanity of where we are now that she risks her job if she brings it up. Many thanks to sweetpetricho for the live illustration that this is an actual threat, and not baseless.

The fact that Scotland are even considering including some similar law is terrifyingly close to home,

The hate crime bill was voted through ThumbWitchesAbroad