I just came out as GC at work, to the big boss and I feel a bit sick

[JustcameoutGC]

I have NCed for this. I have just outed myself as GC in work to the big boss (and some others cced in).

I was asked to sign off on something that I just couldn't and I said so, and explained why.

I literally feel sick. Like I have put a big fat GC target on my back. My org is totally woke. I wonder how many times my response has been forwarded already.

Good on you, op. You’re showing real courage, but God knows it shouldn’t be like this. Why should one group be allowed to oppress another (already oppressed) group?

@Plumtree391

I am with you all the way, JustCameOut.

However I am really surprised that this came up at your work place, it doesn't at mine. The current 'trend' must have spread far further than I imagined.

Most people recognise that, however someone styles them-self, which they are entitled to do, their biological sex will remain the same as when they were born.

If I took hormones and had surgery in order to resemble the male gender, I would still be biologically a woman.

That is obvious and I've no doubt the majority of people think that.

I agree with you that the majority of people think like you do, but I also think the majority of people are unaware of how far things have gone and how much ground has already been lost.

There’s a woman in the USA being sued by the American Civil Liberties Union right now, just for making a freedom of information request re the numbers of biologically male inmates currently in women’s prisons in California.

Those of you who had no idea how extreme and widespread this ideology has become, I would recommend you start looking into it all as a matter of some urgency, but be warned - you are in for a very unpleasant shock.

This is not a minority civil rights movement, or a youth rebellion. This is a movement that has penetrated the highest reaches of government across the western world, not to mention the media, health services, schools, policing, the corporate world, academia, and even our legal systems. And more. This a a hugely well funded movement that has effected a kind of mass “institutional capture” without most people even being aware of what was happening.

How many people knew about the GRA, for example, when it was passed in 2004?

It is nothing like the counter-culture anti-establishment movements of the 60’s and 70’s, or even the gay rights movement that started to gather more momentum in the 80’s and 90’s. This movement is the establishment, and there is a growing trend in some parts of the world towards compelling people to subscribe to this ideology, which is why speaking out is so difficult, and so brave.

What is happening to our supposedly free, democratic societies is very, very scary.

Well done, OP! Courage calls...

@SweetPetrichor

I think people are more than capable of working out whether they are a person with a cervix.

I work with Deaf sign language users. You are dismissing a huge section of the population as many many BSL users do not know such medicalised words. English is their second language. When you study to become an interpreter you learn ways of coping with medical bookings in order to bridge the two languages.

Would you like to respond to this @SweetPetrichor ?

How do you account for over half the population not knowing such words as cervix, uterus, Fallopian tubes, because they are English as a second language users, BSL users, or simply I'm afraid just not quite so privileged and educated as you are.

I look forward to your response.

🦡🌈🤍

Well I'm glad to share the same values regarding this issue as posters like pothole than someone who appears to spend so much time sniffing the rain soaked ground that they can't lift their head to see what is actually going on around them and form a critical thought about it.

[quote BuffyTheSlavishIdeologySlayer]@PotholeHellhole every time you reveal a little more of your life story I am inspired.
Little detour there but hey ho, when in the city formerly known as Rome.[/quote]
Aw, thank you! But it's all much more exciting in retrospect.

Back then, it was basically the most boring episode of Grange Hill ever, and the biggest drama was getting ants in our mobile classroom.

It's a racist, ableist, classist movement, pushed by people who can't empathise with people unlike themselves.

Absolutely, Pothole

@Ereshkigalangcleg

If my child asks me if they have a uterus, how do I know? Do I have to take them for a scan?

Excellent point. Especially if they get called "uterus haver" or person with a vagina" in their sex education class as per the recent trending thread. How would anyone know?

Yes, Quite apart from women who literally don't have the requisite knowledge, it's more linguistic smoke and mirrors.

We are told to remove the words women, girls and even females when talking about, say, cervices. But, those telling us, then utterly rely on the concept themselves when scathingly declaring that you must know if you have one.

How do I know? If I cant sort people into two sex categories? They're just people. Some with cervices, some with prostates, with the words removed, but the concept reinforced. But no way of identifying them.

You still have rampant sexism and misogyny, but no words left to describe the target.

Was it one of the Labour leader candidates who was asked what is a woman? She said oh come on we all know what a woman is but then floundered completely because she couldn't actually describe it

for fear of wrong think.

Actually, I think SweetPetrichor has done a fine job of educating people today.

Just not in the way they intended, perhaps.

I've not read the full thread, OP, I just wanted to offer and and if you need it.

The fact that people are actually in fear of raising perfectly valid, reasonable and rational safeguarding issues should be the biggest, reddest, loudest screaming red flag in the history of social movements.

You've done something very important OP, the fact you have to feel so much dread about it just shows the insanity we are living through. I admire you.

Was it one of the Labour leader candidates who was asked what is a woman? She said oh come on we all know what a woman is but then floundered completely because she couldn't actually describe it

for fear of wrong think.

Ralph Lucas is a Conservative back bencher in The House of Lords.
May 5th 2020 he published clarification he had received from the government of the definition used for man and woman. This is based in Equality Act 2010
twitter.com/LordLucasCD/status/1257642470692868097

Lord Lucas wrote,

"Definitions. The government has helpfully pointed out the definitions that they use

"Man": from the Equality Act 2010: 'A male of any age'

"Woman": from the Equality Act 2010: 'A female of any age'"

As "Man": from the Equality Act 2010: 'A male of any age'" therefore surely a male of any age may thus, and should for clarity, be described as a man and vice versa?

I note the UK Government definition fails to include reference to persons/ human beings which is an important omission. There are over 5000 species of mammals which are not human.

You honestly make my blood run cold.

What makes it so hard, is that I feel the same about you. There’s no middle ground, is there? It’s very hard to see what the way forward will be.

@Justcallmebebes

This is what you need

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

Yeah, the vulnerable are paying the price and it’s not you lot, or me. It’s not women

It's not for you to decide on behalf of everyone else who is and isn't vulnerable to this.

@OolieMacdoolie

You honestly make my blood run cold.

What makes it so hard, is that I feel the same about you. There’s no middle ground, is there? It’s very hard to see what the way forward will be.

Are you saying you wish to see female prisoners forced to be housed alongside male rapists, if those rapists identify as women, OolieMacdoolie?

Thanks OP for standing up💐It's quite astonishing that any of us need to feel afraid for stating the bleeding obvious.👏👏👏

I'm struggling to understand what sort of thing/project/issue made OP come out to top boss?

OolieMacdoolie

What makes it so hard, is that I feel the same about you.

How odd. OP spoke up about her concerns in the workplace. Not sure what she said to "make your blood run cold" here, which justifies it in the same way that the forcible re-education for wrongthink which she was responding to does

And it is exactly people like you I am afraid of. People who instead of listening to rational, evidence based concerns seek to punish and re-educate me for my wrong think. You honestly make my blood run cold.

@OolieMacdoolie

You honestly make my blood run cold.

What makes it so hard, is that I feel the same about you. There’s no middle ground, is there? It’s very hard to see what the way forward will be.

Third spaces, and certain people getting a cop-on and realising that just although they perceive women as a homogenous mass of privilege, they are wrong to do so.

There is a constant, underlying assumption that the category woman does not cross over with categories such as speaker of English as a second language, refugee, person with learning disabilities, person who missed lots of school due to ongoing hospital treatment and so on.

In short, female persons in these categories don't meet some people's idea of woman, so they are merrily ignored, so that they can tell us there is no conflict with women's rights.

In short, deal with your prejudices.

Rather worrying that women who object for example to intact males being housed in women’s prisons ir who don’t want women playing rugby against men who “folded her like a deckchair” make someone’s blood run cold

Sounds like a big old DARVO to me, but what do I know.

The fact that people are actually in fear of raising perfectly valid, reasonable and rational safeguarding issues should be the biggest, reddest, loudest screaming red flag in the history of social movements.

THIS.

The middle ground is third spaces. Not asking women to budge up.