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lux-magazine.com/article/the-road-to-terfdom/

This is an article about Mumsnet FWR boards. Author doesn't like us. Oh dear.

@StrangeLookingParasite

Think the right to vote - which country won this first?

1893, in New Zealand.

Pitcairn Islands, in 1838!

Huh.

Ah, the perfect way to get other women to agree with you. Attack both her intelligence and her integrity with your "handmaiden" schtick. Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women and you see why GCs are so unpopular.

What a pack of lies. Did someone tell you this and you actually believed them?

And South Australia in 1894, Western Australia in 1899, and Australia as a whole in 1902 (could be wrong). Certainly all of Australia by 1911.

Yes, this type of gaslighting is quite common with her ilk, I find

She's still quite young. With age will come experience, and she'll see no doubt things quite differently. It is as if a whole new generation of women is having to learn it all for themselves. the battles and struggles of previous generations seem not to have been absorbed.

And as she actually seems very middle class and privileged herself ( the irony) she'll have ben relatively shielded so far.

@Wandawomble

Liberal feminists - happy to ignore the lived experience of brown women everywhere in favour of hoping men will like you if you agree with everything they want to do to women.

Well said! I’m so fed up of their assertion that gender critical women are all white and middle class. Well I’m not white and very much GC, so seems like I didn’t get the memo! Do they think that we lack the critical reasoning skills to see through their nonsense? I think they trot this out repeatedly, because they wouldn’t know how to debate with a GC Black or Asian woman. Hierarchy of oppression or some such.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women

Where were those? I would certainly condemn that, do you have a link?

As a childless menopausal woman myself I'm pretty sure I would have noticed any attacks of that nature... Any mentions of female infertility are usually the other side trying to draw comparisons with males with trans identities - the icing on the offensive cake being that very often those same individuals have actually fathered children...

Any mentions of female infertility are usually the other side trying to draw comparisons with males with trans identities - the icing on the offensive cake being that very often those same individuals have actually fathered children...

Yes, exactly.

It’s also telling how at the end she sympathises with the young woman who came here and said her mum had been radicalised by mumsnet. I remember that post very clearly. But my most vivid memory of it is the young woman in question being utterly unable to defend her point of view, and saying completely false things. In fact this is my enduring impression of trans supporters: I am desperate to get some answers from them and they are unable to answer even the most basic questions about what they believe!

Recent posts included dismay over a U.S. Supreme Court decision not to hear a challenge to transgender access to toilets and locker rooms

Hey, I'm famous! That was one I started.

I'm glad that I can occasionally rile people up.

And South Australia in 1894, Western Australia in 1899, and Australia as a whole in 1902 (could be wrong). Certainly all of Australia by 1911.

New Zillund Zealand (all of it) in 1893, too.

GC attacks on child free or infertile women?

What utter bollocks. As an infertile woman, I’ve told several trans activists attempting to draw parallels between infertile and being a man to get in the proverbial sea

GC women on here have always being unfailingly supportive around infertility

Honestly what is this parallel reality some posters seems to occupy??

Erm, childfree and menopausal here. Never felt my choice to remain childless has been attacked or even questioned by GC femenists. Perhaps it's because they respect women and however they choose to organize their lives?

I'm white and used to live in a single-sex homelessness hostel. This perspective informs my GCness today, and I am not up for being called smug and privileged by a lady who, by her own testimony, usually comes to MN for advice on how to clean a... dishwasher.

@PumpkinSpiceWoman, please would you explain what you mean by attacks on child free/infertile/menopausal women, as I am all three of those things and have never been criticised by someone gender critical because of it.

I’ll tell you what has happened though, and that is that transallies have told me that the phrase “only women can get pregnant” excludes infertile women, and I’ve pointed out that it doesn’t, and I am not in the least offended.

Conversely, I’ve pointed out that the terminology like “menstruators” or “cervix havers” is upsetting for someone like me as it feels very othering and excluding me from womanhood for not menstruating and not having a cervix.

None of it has come from gender critical feminists, though. Could you maybe explain what you mean?

Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women and you see why GCs are so unpopular.

I'm mulling over this piece of nonsense and wondering if it's because it's called mumsnet.

And an assumption that not only is everyone here a mum, but it's a cliquey elitist sort of membership which excludes you if you're not actively doing 'mum stuff'.

Hence infertile, childless and menopausal.

And shows that not only is the poster clueless about this site, but hasn't read the article either.

Makes me itch.

Infertile, childless, menopausal post. Was that a drive by posting?

@alkanet

Infertile, childless, menopausal post. Was that a drive by posting?

Clearly that post was so objectively incorrect as to invite comment, in my opinion.

Genuinely though, I have seen TW proudly proclaim they are now exactly biologically the same as post-menopausal women with endometriosis.

@alkanet

Infertile, childless, menopausal post. Was that a drive by posting?

It was a plop

Big smelly pointless fake news plop

It was a plop

Pfffft, and I’ve wasted pixels being nice as well. Hrmppph.

@Sophoclesthefox

It was a plop

Pfffft, and I’ve wasted pixels being nice as well. Hrmppph.

I don’t know when it stops being a plop and turns into an interesting debate

Id like to say its when the poster reappears but im fairly positive that im being incredibly optimistic

I prefer this plop.

Maybe something so palpably false as to act as a lump of concrete in the track causing a derail? ....what was this thread discussing before that odd interjection?

Plop, how appropriate😂💩

What a patronising, hateful load of old tosh.

So we are all TERFs, ‘Karens’ and petty little Hyacinth Bucket characters who’ve got nothing better to do than get hysterical about transwomen using our toilets? Took a LOT of words to say that, though, didn’t it? Blimey.

What is WRONG with people, though? Can we now only actually think/write using sexist stereotypes, social media shorthand and other lazy fucking assumptions?

Water my fucking begonias? No, Katie. I’m just more interested in smashing the patriarchy than I am with pandering to a minority of men who aren’t happy with the body they were born in to. I’m sorry if that’s not ‘kind’.

Well said! I’m so fed up of their assertion that gender critical women are all white and middle class. Well I’m not white and very much GC, so seems like I didn’t get the memo! Do they think that we lack the critical reasoning skills to see through their nonsense? I think they trot this out repeatedly, because they wouldn’t know how to debate with a GC Black or Asian woman. Hierarchy of oppression or some such.

Kimchidreams The audacity of white women and men claiming some sort of imagined race oppression whilst ignoring the voices of GC black or asian women is shocking.

Don’t worry, we’ve been monitoring Mumsnet, so we can report back on what these mums are really thinking and the reasons why they’ve got their knickers in a twist. No, we didn’t ask any of them to write an article themselves, because they won’t understand why they behave the way they do. They’re just mums.

Lol.

Yes, it would maybe be nice if sites like that gave a right of reply to the other perspective. But that would be "platforming hate" of course.

@Viviennemary

I think they've got a point. Only on MN is this rampant frothing over trans men or is it trans women. If this was any other minority group there would be hell to pay. I think folk should give it a rest.,

I'll give it a rest and stop my ''rampant frothing'' when:

-lobby groups stop trying to remove my sex as a protected characteristic from the Equality Act
-when lesbians and gay men aren't piled on, reported to the police and their employers for the crime of being same sex attracted, rather than same gender attracted.
-when rapists aren't being housed with vulnerable female inmates because the rapists wishes come before the human rights of women
-when paedophiles aren't spared jail over and over again because them undergoing reassignment apparently makes them more vulnerable than children
-when sportswomen aren't at risk of having their spines snapped because bio males have ''folded them like deckchairs''
-when sportswomen aren't at risk of having their skulls cracked open because they have to fight someone with a massive biological advantage, else they'll be labelled a transphobe and lose their career they've worked damn hard for
-when healthy children aren't being given experimental treatment with hormones that have no proven benefits but plenty of negatives

And this isn't 'only on MN'. This is one of the very few places that allows these discussions to take place, so it may seem that way, but it's not.

Every single person I know in real life is horrified by what is happening under the guise of ''progressiveness''. Every one, from the teens to the elders, females and males.