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lux-magazine.com/article/the-road-to-terfdom/

This is an article about Mumsnet FWR boards. Author doesn't like us. Oh dear.

I am a boogie try-hard and planted begonias which all died in the frost because I could t be arsed to bring them in.

Also, next doors dog is far more likely to eat one of the kids than the begonias.

I don't think I am the kind of middle-class Mummy she imagines me to be...

@Ereshkigalangcleg

The problem comes when one side is about reasoned debate and the other side is talking about feelings. You cannot reason with feelings.

I agree. But it also doesn't move them when you talk about feelings. Because women's feelings don't count.

Absolutely, women's feelings are discounted because it's misogyny at heart. After all, we've never had or got used to male privilege.

I read thread after thread, I noticed that many of the posters wrote about feeling newly disenfranchised and isolated after giving birth for the first time; cast out of a society in which they had previously enjoyed power by virtue of their relative wealth and education. Through organising around this “taboo” issue (we’ll get to that later) they were experiencing solidarity and a sense of purpose that had been missing in their postnatal lives

I think she's been looking somewhere else...certainly don't recognise any of this.

I don't mind being called a TRF, but smug*? ODFOD.

In fact it is laughable.....earlier on we were berated for being middle aged......and now we're first time mothers.

It seemed to me that was exactly what was happening on Mumsnet: some of these newly “gender critical” Mumsnetters were relatively privileged women who had never felt marginalized until they gave birth and came to feel isolated in their nuclear households and (rightfully!) outraged at the lack of support for mothers in the U.K. They turned to Mumsnet for solidarity, and somehow became fixated on trans women in the process

I'd say most of the women who post on FWR are long time political activists of one sort or other. Certainly not all white, heterosexual and middle class either.

@theThreeofWeevils

Another day, another handmaiden shilling for dollars

Ah, the perfect way to get other women to agree with you. Attack both her intelligence and her integrity with your "handmaiden" schtick. Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women and you see why GCs are so unpopular.

Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women

Where were those? I would certainly condemn that, do you have a link?

As a menopausal woman, I'd be interested to see those too Erish.

If Mumsnet’s women’s rights forum is popular because it responds to the experience of being stuck at home without support or community, it’s done so in a way that leaves Mumsnetters in a political cul-de-sac. The community isolates its members in a bubble of transphobic thought that leaves them free to develop their bigotries without needing to encounter the human beings affected by them. It also inculcates members with a tragically narrow idea of feminism, one that rejects other people fighting for gender liberation. And finally, it puts followers at odds with the broader left, which has been fighting for a world without gender oppression, as well as for benefits Mumsnetters say they care about, such as free child care and well-funded health care

This is all very confused and all over the place. Not really understanding first base, and then developing the argument from that faulty position. Also, just keeps talking about transwomen; transmen never get a look in.

She does seem quite young, and obviously quite bright to have won all of the awards she appears to. Living in the U.k will do her some good.

Eresh! Fat fingers

Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women and you see why GCs are so unpopular.

Utter, baseless, lie.

Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women and you see why GCs are so unpopular.

What on earth are you talking about? Quite a lot of the regular posters on this board are childless, due to infertility or choice. Many of us are menopausal, or have been. I've never seen any 'attacks' on any of us from gender critical women.

Some of us are even old...why are we ignored?!

As a menopausal woman, I'd be interested to see those too Erish.

Because without the links, what I'm thinking is that there's some twisting going on of the fact that only female people can have periods and give birth to babies. Which categorically does not mean that all female people at all times have periods and give birth to babies.

Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women and you see why GCs are so unpopular

The mind boggles....given that everyone is middle aged, surely we're all post menopausal.

My thoughts exactly Eresh.

Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women and you see why GCs are so unpopular.

Um, what? As a childfree by choice woman, the only time I’ve ever seen anything remotely like that is on when some twit starts wondering why women without kids could possibly want to be on Mumsnet, and gets their arse handed to them. And that has nothing whatsoever to do with being feminist or GC, rather the opposite of anything.

Think the right to vote - which country won this first?

1893, in New Zealand.

Pitcairn Islands, in 1838!

Huh.

Ah, the perfect way to get other women to agree with you. Attack both her intelligence and her integrity with your "handmaiden" schtick. Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women and you see why GCs are so unpopular.

What a pack of lies. Did someone tell you this and you actually believed them?

Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women and you see why GCs are so unpopular

That's complete bullshit. I've lurked this board for six or seven years and I've never seen a woman attacked for a biological trait or condition.

People get their opinions interrogated and they might not like it, but no one is attacked for immutable characteristics.

That really is a brilliant article. It reads like it is a satire it is so full of “right think”. I mean for gods sake how could anyone think changing rooms should be segregated on the basis of physical sex and not gender identity - we would all have to be mad to think outrageous things like that!!!! That plus the constant disparaging of any woman ever who has had the audacity to give birth who still had the temerity to have actual opinions on real life issues, it has to be ironic? No??

I mean for gods sake how could anyone think changing rooms should be segregated on the basis of physical sex and not gender identity - we would all have to be mad to think outrageous things like that!!!!

Yes, this type of gaslighting is quite common with her ilk, I find.

Ah, the perfect way to get men to agree with you - lie!
It's what men in power have been doing for ages - god forbid we change this tradition.

Add that to "gender critical" attacks on infertile/childless/menopausal women and you see why GCs are so unpopular.

I think you are confused. What attacks on ' infertile/childless/menopausal women'? I think you might have it the other way around. Often we are told by some activists who seek to prioritise trans rights ahead of those of women and girls that males who identify as women are 'just like' women of that nature. Doing this, is harmful to those women of course.

It is politicising their choices, or their medical conditions, to progress the rights of males. So, in essence, these assertions are attacks on these women by a group of people who may or may not be trans, and certainly do not represent all trans people.

Perhaps, PumpkinSpiceWoman you could clarify what you meant. Otherwise, you have completely undermined your argument.