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Women's libido - apparently they just don't know why it disappears?! WTAF?

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Triffid1 · 13/04/2021 10:35

This article re women's sexuality and covid has been annoying me since I read it yesterday. In summary, they start by saying everyone thought we'd al be having loads of sex in Covid but it turns out we weren't and then it turns out that women's libidos are the reason. Then the article goes on to discuss how men's libido stays consistent throughout a relationship/time but that women's libido drops off.

These two paragraphs in particular sort of sum up how the article (and the experts the reporter is talking to) is considering the issue:

"Both start their relationship with similar honeymoonish levels of desire. But a year on and women are already disengaging. The fall in interest drops off several cliffs at the five and ten-year marks. Women are twice as likely as men to lose desire in long-term relationships. Of particular relevance to lockdown: those women living with their partners were more likely to lose interest than those in distanced long-term relationships."

"There are several ways to interpret these findings. One is that women have a limited amount of sexual drive, that they spend early on in any relationship and then the cupboard is bare. The other is that women crave sexual variety, a view that is supported by recent evolutionary theory that early human females, while pair-bonded, were frequently unfaithful in ways that maximised their offspring’s genetic advantage."

Then there's this:

"[quoting an expert on a study] "We found that when men were in a relationship with a woman they were much less likely to report masturbation. It was completely the reverse for women, who masturbated more when in a relationship with a man. The whole idea about masturbation being a substitute for partner sex, which has been around a long time, seems to be supportive for men, but for women not at all.”

"Graham says that they are not really sure why women masturbate more in heterosexual relationships, and also why they often do this in secret."

And then there's quite a lot of chat that maybe it's because the sex is bad (in a relationship).

This article has really really annoyed me. Did no one stop to think that maybe the reason women are less interested in sex is because of what's going on in the relationship? That maybe, in the early days, it's all sunshine and flowers and romantic gestures but even a year in, all those women suddenly find themselves doing more? More cleaning, more cooking, more mental thinking? We all know studies show that women in long term heterosexual relationships do more household tasks than any other group. After even just a year, I bet you that the lovely man who planned a gorgeous romantic weekend away in week 3 has already stopped thinking about all holidays and weekend breaks and it's falling on the woman? And that' before we even get to the childcare.

As for lockdown - again, studies have already told us that women were doing more. That they were bearing the brunt of the homeschooling and home management while still trying to work. That they were the ones up late at night worrying about the mental health impact on their children or dealing with the DC's tantrums and tears because they missed their friends. Men weren't doing this. So are we surprised that women didn't exactly feel like getting a little sex in ?

As for the bloody masturbation thing.... well, I can't speak for other women but maybe it's because women DO want orgasms but quite frankly, don't want the time, effort or other touch? Or even the need to think about someone else? I didn't even have to do the homeschooling thing but I can tell you that by the end of the day, I was touched out. I don't want someone touching and kissing me.

Tell me it's not just me? This entire premise that libido is completely separate from all the other stuff that goes on in life and that women's libido just mysteriously disappears blows my tiny little mind.

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JoysexrenovationFingerFumble · 13/04/2021 10:38

I actually find that hilarious rather than infuriating. I mean no shit Sherlock! Do they want us to explain it in words of one syllable? Grin

CongealedCrags · 13/04/2021 10:41

Not just you.

I'd love to see the parallel study which looks at the amount of housework, life administration and childcare done by women vs men over the course of the relationship.

I would bet money, lots of money, that women's desire to have sex with men is directly linked to how much of a chore-dodging man-child she's living with.

JoysexrenovationFingerFumble · 13/04/2021 10:44

I would bet money, lots of money, that women's desire to have sex with men is directly linked to how much of a chore-dodging man-child she's living with.

Our culture is so completely and utterly focused on what men like, what they find attractive, what turns them on, that the researchers seem to have forgotten that women also experience sexual desire (or lack thereof). It’s just absolutely hopeless, there’s no helping some people 🤷‍♀️

SapphosRock · 13/04/2021 10:47

I can totally see your point OP, however 'lesbian bed death' is a very common problem for long term lesbian partners so I do think women have a tendency to lose their sexual appetites in long term relationships.

ArabellaScott · 13/04/2021 10:48

'Utter exhaustion and lots of stress is not generally great for putting anyone in the mood for sexyrumpypumpy' concludes groundbreaking study

ThreeorFour · 13/04/2021 10:50

I think it's outright lies from men. I can't believe it. I've experienced one man too many with ED and low libido. The only thing more frustrating than sexual frustration is being told it's us women who don't want it. I refuse to believe I'm a minority. My sex drive has been higher than nearly all my partners. Thank goodness for vibrators!

Triffid1 · 13/04/2021 10:50

@SapphosRock

I can totally see your point OP, however 'lesbian bed death' is a very common problem for long term lesbian partners so I do think women have a tendency to lose their sexual appetites in long term relationships.
This is interesting. And I take the point and I can absolutely see some evolutionary thing going on re getting pregnant then moving on blah blah. But my argument still stands because as a PP said, I suspect that there is nonetheless high (inverted) correlation between female sex drive and how much of the work she is doing for the family.
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Triffid1 · 13/04/2021 10:51

@ArabellaScott

'Utter exhaustion and lots of stress is not generally great for putting anyone in the mood for sexyrumpypumpy' concludes groundbreaking study
HAHA, except none of the studies DO conclude this (or at least, none in this article). Totally agree though.
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justanotherneighinparadise · 13/04/2021 10:51

I bet it ‘coincidentally’ drops off the edge of a cliff once the woman has a child. Absolute mystery.

Aspiringmatriarch · 13/04/2021 10:52

I think it's boredom, not necessarily relationship problems per se, although I'm sure that doesn't help. And living with someone for a long time you can end up feeling more like siblings - it's just not erotic.

Stoptalkingtome · 13/04/2021 10:52

For me, it is absolutely linked to me doing all the boring and endless household shit. No one looks after me, not even a frigging cup of tea most days. The endless weariness of putting a bastard yoghurt top lid in the recycling it's been left next to. Feeling like a nag. It's no wonder my libido has disappeared is it? Plus the teens never bloody go to sleep anymore since lockdown. I totally agree with you OP.

NCfenceisoneofthe99problems · 13/04/2021 10:54

Completely agree OP, infuriating! I am not in the mood after a day of childcare, housework, and the mental load of having to remember absolutely everything big and small, and I’d say that’s probably the case for many many women. Maybe next time they could ask us why we are not feeling like shag bunnies instead of assuming it’s because we already used up our lifetime supply of libido. How ridiculous.

Notoriouslynotnotious · 13/04/2021 10:59

To summarise men cannot understand how overworked support humans won’t take a break from their unending labours to service them and they need research to figure out why this is.

Triffid1 · 13/04/2021 11:01

@Notoriouslynotnotious

To summarise men cannot understand how overworked support humans won’t take a break from their unending labours to service them and they need research to figure out why this is.
Grin Grin Grin
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BlackeyedSusan · 13/04/2021 11:02

gosh, who'd 'a' thunk it?

FemaleAndLearning · 13/04/2021 11:03

"the cupboard is bare"
Seriously!

lightand · 13/04/2021 11:08

Am reluctant to write much about this sort of subject, but anyway here goes.
For me, the moment, really did feel like the exact moment, that my periods stopped, there was a dramatic loss of libido. DH noticed it with me as well. Hasnt been too much of a problem, and certainly was not linked to anything else whatsoever. Quite bizarre. Understandable I suppose, but not what we were expecting.
Only writing this in case it helps anyone else one day.

ByTheStarryNight · 13/04/2021 11:08

@Notoriouslynotnotious

To summarise men cannot understand how overworked support humans won’t take a break from their unending labours to service them and they need research to figure out why this is.
Nailed it.
GettingUntrapped · 13/04/2021 11:12

Women aren't naturally monogamous, and neither are men.
Men put women into a straightjacket when it comes to having children.
He invented religion, male centred-economics and the family unit as ideal to control female sexuality.
Throughout human evolution, women would have a child with a man, naturally get sexually bored with him, and have a child with another man around four years later.
Children's care and education was spread among the tribe. The woman was still a person in her own right.
I think a lot of us can see what happened. It's man controlling women so they have longer access to exclusive sex with her, trap her within a family system. The best prisoners are those who don't realise they are in prison. The culture covers it up.

WishICouldThinkOfAGoodName · 13/04/2021 11:14

If you look at the relationships board on MN there are plenty of women saying their male parter has low/no libido.

MedusasBadHairDay · 13/04/2021 11:15

@Notoriouslynotnotious

To summarise men cannot understand how overworked support humans won’t take a break from their unending labours to service them and they need research to figure out why this is.
It's a real mystery. I can see why it's got them so flummoxed, maybe they'd like us to add doing their research for them to our list of chores?
ArabellaScott · 13/04/2021 11:15

@ThreeorFour

I think it's outright lies from men. I can't believe it. I've experienced one man too many with ED and low libido. The only thing more frustrating than sexual frustration is being told it's us women who don't want it. I refuse to believe I'm a minority. My sex drive has been higher than nearly all my partners. Thank goodness for vibrators!
It is worth considering the cultural expectations and how that effects reporting of libido (as well as perhaps libido itself).

How many men feel pressured to claim they are up for it when they're not?

Copernico · 13/04/2021 11:16

I can relate to the loss of libido and it’s definitely nothing to do with my husband not doing enough childcare or housework. He’s amazing at all that.

Gobbeldegook · 13/04/2021 11:18

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I had to run there. Nearly pissed myself
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

lazylinguist · 13/04/2021 11:28

For me it's not at all linked to chores and workload tbh, but I guess it is for some women. I think for others it's to do with feeling less attractive as they get older and after having kids. And for some it's just a shift in priorities.

But I believe it's mostly down to biological imperative. Men can go on fathering children and passing on their genes throughout their life, potentially to gazillions of partners, so it makes sense for them to have a constant drive. Whereas women's fertility is much more limited in terms of lifespan and in terms of days of the monthly cycle. They can only have one pregnancy at a time, they then spend more than 9 months before they can get pregnant again, and pregnancy or birth can be dangerous to them. It's simply not biologically useful for women to have a constant, long-lasting libido.

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